Not according to Rabbi Saulos of Tarsus.
And no one knows The Law more intimately than he.
Romans 7:4-6
4 So this is the point: The law no longer holds you in its power, because you died to its power when you died with Christ on the cross. And now you are united with the one who was raised from the dead. As a result, you can produce good fruit, that is, good deeds for God. 5 When we were controlled by our old nature, sinful desires were at work within us, and the law aroused these evil desires that produced sinful deeds, resulting in death. 6 But now we have been released from the law, for we died with Christ, and we are no longer captive to its power. Now we can really serve God, not in the old way by obeying the letter of the law, but in the new way, by the Spirit.
Romans 8:1-4
1 So now there is no condemnation for those who belong to Christ Jesus. 2 For the power of the life-giving Spirit has freed you through Christ Jesus from the power of sin that leads to death. 3 The law of Moses could not save us, because of our sinful nature. But God put into effect a different plan to save us. He sent his own Son in a human body like ours, except that ours are sinful. God destroyed sin's control over us by giving his Son as a sacrifice for our sins. 4 He did this so that the requirement of the law would be fully accomplished for us who no longer follow our sinful nature but instead follow the Spirit.
Paul (and through him, God) says you've got it backwards, Ray.
Adherence to the Law doesn't bring Liberty. Liberty from sin through Christ will produce adherence to the law.
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I hope you're not expecting Ray to retract or revise his position on this - or even admit that he might have it wrong.
ReplyDeleteI don't think he would even know how.
Of course, you're both wrong because, as we know:
Law = Judge Dredd
Judge Dredd is the law indeed.
ReplyDeleteI'm not hoping for Ray to retract anything. He's already dedicated an entire post to why I'm a false profit, so that he doesn't have to pay attention to what I have to say.
ReplyDeleteMy post has already been put up for a while, and I'm hoping that some of the Christians there will read it and wonder why the heck Ray doesn't know the contents and teachings of Paul's letter to the Romans and begin to look at the Bible themselves.
By 'false profit' are you alluding to Ray's abuse of Living Waters' non-profit status to earn him and his family mega-bucks while not actually providing any useful service to anybody?
ReplyDelete"I'm hoping that some of the Christians there will read it and wonder why the heck Ray doesn't know the contents and teachings of Paul's letter to the Romans and begin to look at the Bible themselves."
If they haven't realized that Ray is a lying scumbag - who can't be trusted to quote even the Bible correctly - by now, then they never will.
kaitlyn,
And how do we *know* that Judge Dredd is the law?
Because Judge Dredd said so in several issues of 2000 AD. We can trust this to be the truth because he is the Law! (what circular reasoning?)
Rob, you bug the hell out of me, but I'm very glad you're here. And not just because you're our "token Christian," but because putting myself into the shoes I wore back when I was a Christian, and adhered to Christian axioms, I would see so much more appeal -- in every sense -- in your words than in Ray's. I hope other Christians who come here see it as well.
ReplyDeleteHe called you a false prophet. Ray is the false "profit". :-)
ReplyDeleteAnyways, you'll never convince Ray to Bible means anything other than what he wants it to mean.
Listening is not his strong point. And he'll never admit he's wrong.
jill d said...
ReplyDeleteHe called you a false prophet. Ray is the false "profit". :-)
Ha ha ha.