And it’s clear that the atheists’ aggressive agenda is to remove God’s name from schools, from currency, from nature programs, and history books, and at the same time fill movies and television with His name used in blasphemy.It made me think: If Ray and others like Ray can call it the atheist agenda to blaspheme just because some of the people who do it happen to be atheists, does that mean that we can call it the Christian agenda to rape children just because some of the people who do it happen to be pedophile Christian priests?
Apparently, according to Ray, we can.
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Hi DI,
ReplyDeleteI've been reading Richard Gunther's Christian essays, and alot of what he writes about, I believe, are answers to some of your questions pertaining to God, Jesus, and the Bible, etc.
If you would like to read his essays just go to Ray's blog and at the bottom of the pg. you will find a link that will take you to R.G.'s site.
He has some great topics, with great answers if I must say so myself.
In Christian Love,
Brittany
Hey Brittany,
ReplyDeleteThis post wasn't really about Christian belief, it was just about the logical fallacy Ray was committing by calling it the atheist agenda to fill television and movies with blaspheme.
I am interested, though. You have read some of my posts, so which one do you recommend as the best representation or most interesting? I assure you, I will read at least one, and may even do a post about what I thought of it (positive or negative).
- JT
Hi JT,
ReplyDeleteMany (not all) atheist are indeed trying to remove God's name from schools, from currency, etc.
Do you agree?
And yes it is true that many "proclaimed" (not all) Christian's are pedophiles.
Perhaps you are tired of hearing this argument but I will state it again anyway.
While there are many "proclaimed" Christian's, not all are actually true Christian's.
As you had stated, it is not fair to categorize all atheists as wanting to blaspheme God or take his name out of our currency, etc.
Therefore it is not fair to classify all Christians as "pedophiles".
Have you ever thought that maybe Ray believes this simply because he has only met/seen atheist who do what he implys (blaspheme God, etc.)
That brings me to my next point..
I myself have never met an atheist who actually does "Not" care if God's name is used in our schools, or have I never met an atheist who does not use the Lord's name in vain.
"I am interested, though. You have read some of my posts, so which one do you recommend as the best representation or most interesting? I assure you, I will read at least one, and may even do a post about what I thought of it (positive or negative).
I honestly wish that you, as well as any other non-believer, would read all of Richard's Christian essays. They are very well written and give detailed descriptions of each scenario/topic pertaining to the Bible.
With that said, you might like this little essay he has written:
http://christianessays.freeservers.com/freewisdom.htm
Have a great day JT.
In Christian Love,
Brittany
Many (not all) atheist are indeed trying to remove God's name from schools, from currency, etc.
ReplyDeleteNo, I don't think I would state it that way. The reason is for the point that is trying to be made. For example, people like Ann Coulter who portray "godless" as the church of the liberals. Yes, many atheists are liberals and many liberals are atheists. But many atheists are conservatives (like me) and many conservatives are atheists.
There is a popular misconception here, though, that atheists are trying to remove God from the classroom, currency, etc. While there are many atheists involved in that, there are far more theists involved (especially Christians). This is because it is a matter of freedom, not a matter of religion.
I actually wrote a blog entry on this very thing, entitled Impeaching God, where I show a few key school prayer cases wherein the plaintiffs were Christians. It is more often than not that challenges to violations of church/state separations are made by the religious, and not just those religions which Christians are persecuting.
While there are many "proclaimed" Christian's, not all are actually true Christian's.
Then any atheist who does anything objectionable or foolish is not a true atheist.
I was just watching a documentary two nights ago about the Phelps family and the Westboro Baptist Church. They said that people who aren't out proclaiming that God hates fags and who aren't thanking God for 9/11 and for injured and killed soldiers, aren't true Christians.
Have you ever thought that maybe Ray believes this simply because he has only met/seen atheist who do what he implys (blaspheme God, etc.)
If it were normally anyone else, I would say I would think that. I think that many of the misconceptions and prejudices people have against atheists is that because they haven't had a good sample.
With Ray, though, we know he has interacted with many atheists and, yet, he persists with his same silly antics. You may wish to read my Letter to Ray Comfort. He says that atheists claim to know there is no god in one breath and then in the next says that atheists pretend there is no God, even though they know there is.
But more to your general point:
I myself have never met an atheist who actually does "Not" care if God's name is used in our schools, or have I never met an atheist who does not use the Lord's name in vain.
On the first part, to be clear, the problem isn't that God's name is used in schools, it's that its used by government or with its consent. Students praying on their own? No problem. Students having Bible study groups? No problem. Schools holding prayer sessions or posting up "In God We Trust"? Big problem.
I'm sure that's what you meant, though. On that note: I have met many atheists who don't care if God's name is used in our schools. There are a great many. They don't care about many of church/state issues.
On the Lord's name in vain part, I think that's a fair assessment. That's because we hold absolutely no reverence for it whatsoever. But why do we use it then? Because it's ingrained in us through the Christian influence on our society. When I'm telling something humorous to someone that I saw, I'll often say "and, I swear to God, ..." This is just because it's a phrase that is used to mean "honestly" or "in no jest." I try to alter it to "I swear to Google," not out of any respect or reverence to the word God, but so that I'm not seen as making some oath to God.
So, using the Lord's name in vain is rather inconsequential to atheists. It's like a Christian saying "holy cow." That isn't because you have any reverence for the cow, like the Hindus, you just say it as it's an expression that's native to our region. In any case, blaspheming the sanctity of the cow is not anymore the Christian agenda than blaspheming the Lord's name is the atheist agenda.
I'll add the essay to my reading list.