Ray posted today about me calling him a willful liar. And thus will get lots of sales today. A pitty that he saw the business opportunity. Here my answer to his post:
Then Ray, for the Bible to be inerrant we should not find a single typo in any of them?
Also, do not misrepresent my writing, for some fossil-documented "species-to-species transitions" we have hundreds of fossils, for others we have tens. Why do you do this? Why did you have to change my meaning? Of course: willful liar.
There are several hominid fossils that demonstrate "transitions" between our common ancestor with chimps and ourselves, and you dismissed the whole thing because of a few fakes, and the lie that one fossil was a person with arthritis (willful liar). So, in the case of our evolution from ancestral apes (we are still apes), we do not have thousands, we have tens. So, does that invalidate evolution? Of course not. But you never mention these fossils, do you? Conclusion: willful liar.
Of course orangutans are our very distant relatives, but that does not qualify them to fly in the plane with us. Should now I assume that God does not exist because mentally challenged people would not behave either, then God does not exist because the mentally challenged should be the image of God, and thus be all right? Or else is God mentally challenged too?
Now where you said I spoke to lay folks about the theory and each sounded like an expert at first. Come on! These TEENS sounded like experts first? You are not only a willful liar but a bad one at that. I might believe that the UCLA profs did not want to appear in your mockumentary, but not that those you present in the video sounded like experts first. You have to be kidding me.
Your video does not debunk evolution, it debunks strawmen of evolution. This is what your customers will never understand. Sad but true. Keep the lies coming Ray. It works for you all right.
Anybody buying your special will be buying a bunch of lies and misinformation. I can do nothing about it, so be it.
G.E.
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ReplyDeleteHmm. I didn't know you were also writing on this...Ha ha.
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...I like your post more than mine. >:(
Well, I feel so sad that now he gets to sell so much more.
ReplyDeleteThe nerve of this guy, he went on to say:
because there aren’t any species-to-species transitional forms in the fossil record.
Ray the willful, willful, big fat liar.
So, Ranting, please post what you were writing as a comment here. I would like to see what you were thinking.
G.E.
Cheer up, G.E. Maybe they'll be like those generations of schoolkids who invested in those "money-making" seed packets, only to discover that they had nobody to sell them to except each other.
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What? You mean my schoolmates and I were the only ones dumb enough to fall for that? Well, crap.
Thanks Wee, Though Ranting saw the silver lining, I semi-saw it (easy arguments to answer if we get into a debate), yet I still feel guilty of giving the guy a sales pitch.
ReplyDeleteThe frustration also because I tried the fallacy god video on other fundies, and they tried and tried to justify Ray. No way of making them admit that Ray and Kirk were willful liars. Incredible. That is the saddest thing, that these guys (the fundies) will never notice the problem.
G.E.
But however you look at it, Ray's still lying. There's transitionals all over the place, whether he has a sale or not.
ReplyDeleteI mean, talkorigins.
Position Statement of the Paleontological Society on evolution:
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He's selling this stuff for about half market price -- it's a loss leader. The new season of WOTM is about to start and I predict there'll be new lines of Raystuff comin' down the runway any day.
ReplyDeleteThis should demonstrate to everyone that Ray is not interested in learning anything.
ReplyDeleteHe has been told time and time and time again that the term species-to-species transitional form idiotic and displays a fundamental misconception of what evolution actually is. But he continues to use it over and over.
I can play too:
There are no transitional wavelengths in the spectrum of visible light. Violet is violet, 380 nanometres to 450 nanometres, blue is blue, 450-495...etc.
Show me the in-between, step by step transitional stages from one wave length to the other!
See how ridiculous it is? It's pointless to even engage someone like him. He is not interested in honest debate.
JG,
ReplyDeleteYep, we have explained this to him, and this is the reason why I quote "transitional," so it is clearer that we have told him all about the concept, and the true meaning of fossils that look intermediate between old and new forms (no way of knowing if they are ancestors, all were adapted and capable species, in principle all forms are "transitionals," the whole thing). Some atheists still give Ray the benefit of the doubt. But there is a point where ignoring the answers makes him a true liar. Since he does not change his pitch one bit, a liar, and very willful, he is. (Yoda smiles.)
G.E.
In a recent video of his street preaching, Ray cited a caterpillar turning into a butterfly and a tadpole becoming a frog as examples of micro-evolution.
ReplyDeleteThe fact that he thinks evolution has anything whatsoever to do with changes a particular creature undergoes during its lifetime says all you need to know about his ability to grasp the topic.
GE
ReplyDeleteSince he used your words, your 'intellectual property', in his sales pitch it would seem only right that you get to share in the profits. If not legally entitled, at least it would seem only ethical for Ray to 'pay the devil his due' so to speak.
I wonder if Ray thinks getting an erection is an example of micro-evolution? I think I'll ask him...
ReplyDeleteDistraction tactics. Nothing else. Using metamorphosis as examples of "micro-evolution" is somewhat new to him, but not surprising. He knows his customers cannot think clearly enough to note that metamorphosis is part of development in those creatures, and that such thing is not evolution of any kind. He relies on the diocy and trust of his customers. Of course he is not trying to convert anybody. It is all sales. Unscrupulous lies to sale more, and make his living out of the gullible. People need hard thinking to learn the true meaning of evolution, and thus, he knows they will not check beyond what he tells them, they will regard him as the expert, and thus not question him. This because intelligence is not well distributed either. With "50% of Americans having an IQ below average", well, what can you expect?
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Hey NaFa,
ReplyDeleteHe might think about erections as micro-evolution. But will probably discard it so as not to offend the puritans.
G.E.