To conclude my attempt to overtake The Raytractors on my day off, I have a question for both atheists and Christians:
If you are a Christian, recommend one book that you think all atheists should read. If you are an atheist, recommend one book that you think all Christians should read. Briefly describe why they should.
To the Christians: if you agree to read my recommended book, I will agree to read your recommended book.
Here are some rules:
* You can only recommend one book
* You cannot recommend a book that someone else recommended.
My Entry: Age of Reason (1793-1795) by Thomas Paine
Why: Paine argues against the validity of the Bible using reason and also the Bible itself. In the first part of the book (there are two parts), he begins with a rejection of the Bible based on the idea that no supreme being would ever communicate to humans using a book. Why? Not only because it is vulnerable to tampering, but also because it inevitably must be translated. Not only that, languages naturally change over time and with that, the meaning changes over time as well. This part was done while he did not have a Bible in hand.
The second part of the books opens with a rejection of the Bible based on not having any credibility due to anonymous authors. He does this using only the Bible itself. Using textual criticism, he shows that Moses wasn't the author of the books attributed to him, Joshua was the author of the books attributed to him, and so on. This part was done while he had the Bible in hand.
It isn't a long read and is easy to read.
It is necessary to the happiness of man, that he be mentally faithful to himself. Infidelity does not consist in believing, or in disbelieving; it consists in professing to believe what he does not believe. -- Thomas Paine, Age of Reason
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I barely had to think about it.
ReplyDeleteI highly recommend to theists(and atheists too!)"The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark" by Dr. Carl Sagan.
This book does an excellent job of explaining science and its inner workings to laypeople, and also shows us why a healthy skepticism of the world around you is necessary. It addresses directly the differences between science and pseudoscience and how you can tell which is which.
This book has very very little to do with religion itself, although I believe it is mentioned in one or two places. It's an invaluable critical thinking tool and one of the best books I've ever read.
"We've arranged a global civilization in which most crucial elements profoundly depend on science and technology. We have also arranged things so that almost no one understands science and technology. This is a prescription for disaster."
"The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Universe," by Douglas Adams
ReplyDeleteBecause it's funny, and fun, and most bleevers probably haven't read it.
Maragon took my book. Then Wee took the next book I was going to say. I'm not kidding!
ReplyDeleteLet me think about this one.
Ok, got one. Misquoting Jesus by Bart Ehrman.
ReplyDeleteWhy ? Because it takes you through some of hoe the Bible was written and how scribes changed things, rewrote things and left things out. It shows the Bible for what it really is, which is a book written by men with the knowledge of men.
how, not hoe. :::headdesk:::
ReplyDeleteI can't pick just one, because different arguments and different education levels require different sources, but I can narrow it down to 3 quick reads that I typically reccommend.
ReplyDelete1) Evolution for Everyone by David Sloan Wilson
2) Your Inner Fish by Neil Schubin
3) Finding Darwin's God by Ken Miller
If any believer recommends a C.S. Lewis or a William Lane Craig, I'll read that; not that I'm really looking forward to it, it's just that I've been meaning to get back to those guys in any case. And either of them is a better writer than MacDowell or (ugh) Strobel.
ReplyDeleteWho is Jesus? by John Dominic Crossan - oddly enough, a book written by a man who claims to be a Christian.
ReplyDeleteCrossan looks at the historical Jesus and while rejecting the miracle stories, he offers alternate ways of looking at them so they don't lose their meaning. If anything, the stories become more powerful by looking at them as metaphors that applied to the world that the Gospel authors lived in.
I don't think that it would necessarily drive somebody to atheism (and that's obviously not the point). However, it does encourage a different point of view than the dogma of fundamentalism. Basically, it allows people to still "believe" without sacrificing their critical thinking. Kinda like having your cake and eating it too.
For the record - I'm definitely an atheist myself, but I find myself agreeing with him more than disagreeing.
A lot of mine have been taken so I'll go with "Evolution: What the Fossils Say and Why It Matters". A second choice would be "Asimov's Guide to the Bible".
ReplyDeleteHere's one you guys may not have heard of: God's Debris, by Scott Adams.
ReplyDeleteYes, that Scott Adams, creator of Dilbert.
The book, described by Adams as a "thought experiment" explores the ramifications of the concept of a truly omnipotent, omniscient Supreme Being, and takes things to their logical (or absurd) conclusion.
I highly recommend this book, whether you are a theist or an atheist. And the best part is: you don't have to buy it! You can read it for free here! ;)
I'll have to think about it. Some that came to my mind have already been suggested. The Demon Haunted World, Misquoting Jesus. Evolution: What the Fossils Say and Why It Matters is a great book. Okay. I'll go with two by the same author, same subject.
ReplyDeleteHas Science Found God and God: The Failed Hypothesis by Victor Stenger.
I've read some CS Lewis. I read him again before I'd read Lane. Crossan writes good books, but of course, I'm sure he isn't a true Christian.
The Bible Unearthed by Neil Asher Silberman and Israel Finkelstein.
I know. You said one book. Well, the one book that is the reason I'm not a Christian is The Bible. It's that simple.
Good choices rufus. I've always enjoyed reading Stenger. "The Comprehensible Cosmos" is an amazing read too.
ReplyDeleteOne of my all time favorite books.
ReplyDeleteRobert Pirsig's
Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance
You can read it online here:
http://www.virtualschool.edu/mon
/Quality/PirsigZen/
Its philosophy
ReplyDeleteooo...mjarsulic Asimov's guide...nice selection. That sits on my shelf next to 3 bible variations, a quran , and a mormon bible.
ReplyDeleteAndrew, I have that book on my bedside table right now! c^_^ɔ
ReplyDeleteOne of the best books I've ever read, hands down....and I do a lot of reading.
Andrew, good choice. I considered recommending that one. I don't want to hijack this this thread, but if you have read Lila, I'd be interested in your thoughts on it.
ReplyDeleteMy first choice was Miller's "Finding Darwin's God", so my choice for one that hasn't already been mentioned is Heinlein's "Stranger In A Strange Land".
ReplyDeleteIt shows how religion is so much like carnival hucksterism, and morality, love and goodness are not functions of religion.
Weemaryanne said...
ReplyDelete"The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Universe," by Douglas Adams
Because it's funny, and fun, and most bleevers probably haven't read it.
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LOL, this is a household favorite here. Dh and all the kids have read it. #3 son has all the volumes and reads it over and over. We have even had to accomodate things like talking mattresses, and he carried his satchel with a towel in it for months (we even still carry towels with us a lot) - and 42 has a special place in our hearts! I never read the book - but I have watched most of the episodes on PBS. I tried to play the game once and got stuck in dark for hours - I still get razzed for that.
Blessings,
Patti
I wouldn't recommend a book, because, let's face it, they have a short attention span.
ReplyDeleteI would recommend a website though;
101 things to do with your G/B friend or wife.
Because I think Xians have really boring sex lives, repressed fantasies that they want to act out, but never get the chance. So this isn't really related to the 60000 year old debate, but rather advice for them (and myself).
You all have me researching slavery, answering questions, listening to radio shows, and now reading a book --- I can't keep up. And there are too many choices here. I will run these titles by Dh and see what one he suggests and pick that one to read - how's that?
ReplyDeleteBut I need to finish the book I am on right now - I am almost done A Tale of Two Cities, so as soon as that one is finished, I will read one of these others.
For my suggestion - you are all so intellectual! While I have read many nonfiction books over the years that have been useful to me - when I think back to where I was at age 17 and without Jesus, one book stands out as significant to my conversion. It wasn't intellectual or nonfiction - so you all may not feel it worthy - but the book is called The Robe by Lloyd C Douglas and it literally helped change my life. You can't substitute the movie, it has to be the book.
I understand if you don't want to go that route - but it is the only book that I can say had an impact on me in that way - other than Scripture.
Blessings,
Patti
{{{Because I think Xians have really boring sex lives, repressed fantasies that they want to act out, but never get the chance. }}}
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And you think this because........
It is what TV says? You asked a lot of Christians? You read it in a book? LOL
Blessings,
Patti
I am going to publicly admit something, even though I may be shamed for doing so:
ReplyDeleteI have not read Hitchhiker's. I have it, my brother gave it to me a year or so ago, but I haven't read it yet.
So there, my secret it out. I will now hang my head and crawl away.
Patti, Am I to infer something from your post to Mudskip??? ::ahem:::
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Patti sez:
ReplyDeleteFor my suggestion - you are all so intellectual!
Patti, you say "intellectual" like it's a dirty word...and unfortunately, this attitude is quite prevalent among theists.
Please indulge me and answer a short question: why would God grant us the ability to reason and think critically, and then insist that we refrain from using this God-given ability?
Lila, yes, an equally great book for other reasons. Although not as great a piece of literature, it's much better as a complete metaphysic.
ReplyDeleteI'll post my thoughts on it on my own blog, as I can ramble forever about it, but I can't today.
2 other books I'd highly recommend;
Martin Heidegger's "Being and Time", a difficult read, but worth it. And D.T. Suzuki, "Zen Buddhism".
Interestingly enough (as Martin heidegger was a German philosopher) he said of D.T. Suzuki:
"If I understand this man correctly, this is what I have been trying to say in all my writings."
Tripmaster,
ReplyDeleteI've got it on CD too and have probably listed to it the car 8+ times, I love it.
fourkid,
ReplyDeleteDo you have pictures? Prove me wrong.
TripMaster Monkey said...
ReplyDelete{{{Patti sez:
For my suggestion - you are all so intellectual!
Patti, you say "intellectual" like it's a dirty word...and unfortunately, this attitude is quite prevalent among theists.
Please indulge me and answer a short question: why would God grant us the ability to reason and think critically, and then insist that we refrain from using this God-given ability?}}}
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Oops, this is one of those cases where the flat written word (poorly conceived by me) failed to carry my intent.
I meant that you are all so much smarter than me. I don't feel inferior (or superior for that matter!), in fact I am very confident in my faith - but I am not as smart as you all in your quick wits, and logical abilities. I can follow the conversation, and I can comprehend all of the discussion (even the science parts), but I am really more inclined to simple things. I just felt the the book that had the greatest impact on me wasn't in the same league as the ones you all were mentioning.
I don't think we should refrain from using any of our intelligence - and in fact I think we way under use it. That is one of the challenges I have felt by being engaged in Ray's blog (and now this one) to stretch myself and think more clearly, to sharpen my reasons and doctrines.
And that is one reason that I will read one of these books - I know that I am on here for a reason - and you all are too.
Blessings,
Patti
Dear Mud,
ReplyDeleteYou are the one that made the sweeping generalizations without proof. I just asked where you got your information from.
Blessings,
Patti
Patti,
ReplyDeleteread "The Power of Myth" by Joseph Campbell as you next book.
nonmagical thinking said...
ReplyDeleteI am going to publicly admit something, even though I may be shamed for doing so:
I have not read Hitchhiker's. I have it, my brother gave it to me a year or so ago, but I haven't read it yet.
So there, my secret it out. I will now hang my head and crawl away.
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Well, have you watched any Stargate, SG1? - that would provide some redemption.
Oh, and I think the talking mattresses are in one of the later volumes, not the first one, just in case you wonder why they aren't there.
Blessings,
Patti
Patti sez:
ReplyDeleteI don't think we should refrain from using any of our intelligence - and in fact I think we way under use it. That is one of the challenges I have felt by being engaged in Ray's blog (and now this one) to stretch myself and think more clearly, to sharpen my reasons and doctrines.
Thanks for answering, Patti, but if you think we should be using all our faculties, you're in conflict with the established dogma of your religion. Faith is the voluntary, deliberate suppression of critical thought...the act of believing in something despite a complete lack of evidence to support the belief, and faith is the cornerstone of religion.
"Having faith" means you're failing to think critically. That's all there is to it.
Patti,
ReplyDeleteI read The Robe when I was in 11th grade and found it to be an enjoyable book. If you are going to read one of the books that we have recommended, I would suggest going with "The Demon-Haunted World".
Andrew, The Power of Myth was excellent !!!
ReplyDeletePatti, I also recommend The Power of Myth to you.
My husband loves Stargate, but I've never seen a single episode. I'm always reading while he's watching. I asked him what was so great about it and he said 'I know you. You'd hate it'.
What am I missing?
Well, back in June I recommended a story (a very short story) "Displaced Person" by Eric Frank Russell.
ReplyDeleteTripMaster Monkey said...
ReplyDelete{{{Thanks for answering, Patti, but if you think we should be using all our faculties, you're in conflict with the established dogma of your religion. Faith is the voluntary, deliberate suppression of critical thought...the act of believing in something despite a complete lack of evidence to support the belief, and faith is the cornerstone of religion.
"Having faith" means you're failing to think critically. That's all there is to it.}}}
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Not exactly. It isn't that one fails to think critically, but that there are times when faith trumps reason.
When David faced Goliath - it wasn't that he was lacking reason - but his faith went beyond that reason.
Blessings,
Patti
{{...My husband loves Stargate, but I've never seen a single episode. I'm always reading while he's watching. I asked him what was so great about it and he said 'I know you. You'd hate it'.
ReplyDeleteWhat am I missing?}}}
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Son #3 got us started. We only watch it on DVD (no TV here) so we get all the "extras". We have fun as a family with the characters. So it probably isn't the show as much as it is how our family just takes the lines and situations and makes them our own entertainment.
Kind of like Monty Python - my kids just pick up lines and quote whole passages and next thing you know we are all doubled over laughing.
I did write earlier that we carry around towels from time to time and spout off "42" when appropriate (that is from Hitchhiker). So we also point like Jack O'Neill (2 l's) and say things like "into the giant orifice" and "I'm the general and I say to make it spin" (those are lines from episode 200).
I am sure you are probably better off with your books!
Blessings,
Patti
NMT said: "I am going to publicly admit something, even though I may be shamed for doing so:
ReplyDeleteI have not read Hitchhiker's."
Actually, I just recently reread the Hitchhiker's Guide, and you know what? It's really not that good. So be not ashamed. It may have been funny to me and even kinda profound sorta back when I was in college in the *cough* 1980's, but not so much now.
Sorry, maryanne and anyone who still loves Vogon poetry.
If I were to pick a book (and Maragon picked the one I thought of first) it would be a speculative fiction anthology from the late 1960's titled Again, Dangerous Visions. It's huge and a fair number of the stories in there are not worth the time, but some of the other stuff is mind-bendingly good. Shows what SF could have been before Star Wars came along and ruined everything.
I especially recommend the story "Time Travel for Pedestrians." Amazing stuff.
Patti,
ReplyDeleteI've never seen Monty Python either.
:::ducks from all the rotten tomatoes being thrown at her:::
I grew up watching nothing but nature shows, science stuff, Donahue and 60 minutes. As an adult I started watching movies, and I watch House, but that's it.
I'm going to out myself even further. I've never seen Survivor or Lost or any of whatever is popular right now or has been popular in probably the past 15 years. I only saw Friends after it went off the air and only because my husband watched it. I've never seen Jaws, Star Wars or....whatever those movies were that had the aliens in them.
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Charles, well, I'm going to try to read it before the end of the year. Try. I've got a lot of stuff lined up in front of it.
If I had to recommend something that had nothing to do with religion or science I would recommend Walden by Thoreau and In Search of Lost Time by Proust.
I've only gotten through the first volume of In Search of Lost Time (Swann's Way), but it was really, really good. After I finish the book I am on now I'm going to read Varieties of Scientific Experience by Sagan and then I'm going to start volume 2 of In Search of Lost Time (Within A Budding Grove).
Only thing is, classes start in a few weeks so I'm going to be very limited as to the time I get to spend reading for pleasure.
Patti sez:
ReplyDeleteNot exactly. It isn't that one fails to think critically, but that there are times when faith trumps reason.
There are times when the suppression of reason trumps reason? Really?
How so? Can you present evidence that supports this assertion?
I just wanted to once again commend Patti for being the only theist to actively participate in our discussions.
ReplyDeletePatti!
ReplyDelete"Well, have you watched any Stargate, SG1? - that would provide some redemption. "
I am actually between episodes right now. I'm rewatching the entire season again and am about to watch the season finale of the second season.
NMT has not watched Stargate SG-1? I'll have to make a post on it, huzzah. Every critical thinker (especially skeptics, atheists, and scientists) should watch Stargate SG-1.
I just watched the Stargate: Continuum movie. It was okay, but not a favorite.
ReplyDeleteNonmagical:
ReplyDeleteI've wanted to start In Search of Lost Time, but I can't bring myself to make the commitment. I'm probably still trying get over having finished Ulysses a few years ago. I ended up liking it, and I'm glad I read it, but it was a slog. And now you have me thinking about rereading Walden, and throwing some Emerson in there as well.
Concerning the suppression of reason trumps reason, I think the truest thing Martin Luther ever said/wrote was reason is the enemy of faith.
NMT: Never seen Monty Python? Nothing? You've never seen The Life of Brian? Rent/buy it; watch it; pee yourself laughing. Go and sin no more.
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ReplyDeleteI haven't read The Hitchhiker's Guide either. I'm a fairly quick reader (though not as quick as I'd like, say like Charley after the operation in Flowers for Algernon), and I'm a steady reader, but of course, the list of books I haven't read is much longer than the list of books I have read.
I remembered two novels that I think believers should read:
ReplyDeleteLamb: The Gospel According to Biff, Christ's Childhood Pal by Christopher Moore. It covers those "lost" years of Jesus' life. Very funny.
A Prayer for Owen Meany by John Irving. That book comes closer to making me a believer than the Bible and all the owrks of apologetics that I've read put together.
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If I am understanding you - you are saying that:
faith = suppression of reason.
I would probably reply "yes" to that, with the caveat that this doesn't imply reason isn't there - only that I chose to not act on it at that time.
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I'm not sure - but I can give you an example:
This thread asked to provide one book I would ask you to read in exchange for me reading one book that you all suggest (you are going to actually do that right? Becauses I intend to follow through - still discussing which book with Dh.) I can name a number of, what I would call, deep books - but since I had only one choice I felt it wisest to pray about which one to name. The only title that kept coming to mind was The Robe. It wasn't the most "reasonable" answer - but it was the one I felt led to say. I could obey that leading or not - I chose faith and went with The Robe.
You all make the reason of man as the highest acheivement. I say that there is a level that "trumps" that and is called faith in God. That does not mean that I can't use my reason and intellect - I should do so to it's highest potential, but I should not forget that faith may supercede that reason. I am finite: God is infinite.
Blessings,
Patti
{{{Concerning the suppression of reason trumps reason, I think the truest thing Martin Luther ever said/wrote was reason is the enemy of faith.}}}
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I can agree with him. But Luther was a very intelligent individual - and he used his reason regularly. He was trained as an intellectual, and that never left him.
But his reason/intellect fell short at the point of salvation. Your reason can bring you to the brink - but it is faith that must take you over.
In Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade, remember when he was at the brink of the huge chasm. He had to take the first step into the air in faith, but when he did there was a solid bridge under him to carry him across?
I am not Luther and can't be sure of his intent - but I can see that if you never take that first step in letting go of reason in order to have faith then that reason is indeed an enemy. But faith is only the first step, and reason does not have to be lost.
When I said I was going to do a study on slavery - I have to use intellect and reason. I will get out our huge concordance and the Greek/Hebrew expository book and I will start looking at all the verses and passages that deal with the topic. I will try to make some kind of organizational pattern for it. My faith comes in because I believe this is the Word of God and I know that He promised to make it clear to me - my reason is needed to dig in and study that Word. One does not work without the other.
Faith alone would never get the job of studying done (I know some Christians like that - they only accept what others tell them about the Word.)
Reason alone can never understand the living God of the Bible. Without a living relationship with Him, it is just words on a page.
Blessings,
Patti
Rufus
ReplyDeleteDo you belong to the Judean Peoples Front or the People's Front of Judea?
@all,
I recommended a People's History of the United States by Howard Zinn a while ago on Ray's. I stick with that. It gives a great well researched history of the trilas of various groups in the US from the non-'Great Man' perspective we are taught in school, without being pandering or preachy.
And it's free online!
Rufus: Yeah, I recently watched Stargate: Continuum, too. I think it was a fitting tribute to Stargate SG-1, as the movie went back over all the seasons.
ReplyDeleteRufus,
ReplyDeleteI'm tackling ISOLT one book at a time. I'm reading a couple of books in between. It is a big commitment, but I'm so glad I started it because it's such a riveting story.
I'm so glad I'm not the only one who hasn't read Hitchhiker's!
I'll try some Monty when I get the chance.
Patti,
ReplyDeleteI'll put The Robe on the list, but it's going to be awhile before I get to it.
I was so afraid you were going to suggest that Shack book. I'm so glad you didn't because I can not bring myself to read that.
NMT:
ReplyDeleteI had never heard of The Shack (I was thinking a bio of Shaquille O'Neal). I still don't know much about it, but I can see that Christians are arguing about it. But at least it's not the good old days. they'd probably end up killing one another over it.
Since nonmagical thinking asked me to contribute to this thread, I'll try. You guys have already recommended many of my favorites, so I'm unsure what else to add. One of the best ever sci-fi series in my opinion is Babylon 5. It turned me off when it was first aired, because the underlying themes become apparent only after several episodes. The storylines are so interwoven that you'll easily lose track by missing an episode. Now that I own the complete series on DVD, I just love it. Not all episodes are great, but the overall quality is very high.
ReplyDeleteHmmm, books. I like reading new books all the time more than rereading, so I wouldn't know what to call an all-time favorite. I switch often between light entertainment (Warhammer fantasy) and serious philosophical stuff (I'm just beginning with this, currently reading Daniel Dennett). Fantasy literature: George R. R. Martin's Song of Ice and Fire is superb. It's set in a world mostly modeled on real medieval times and places, with many historical parallels (especially British royal history), but contains various sparingly used fantasy element that become more prominent as the story proceeds. The 'trilogy' isn't complete yet, but there's a lot out already. I'll always love my personally signed Hitchhiker's of course, which I got when Douglas Adams visited my city. I highly recommend his Last chance to see, a relatively short and very amusing and touching book about the most curious animals that are in danger of extinction. What else. I also like writer/cartoonist Walter Moers a lot. Most of his books are set in a fairy-tale-fantasy world which is often very Pratchettesque. The three books I've read so far are Rumo, The City of Dreaming Books and Der Schrecksenmeister. The first two are also available in English.
Okay, it is library day. I finished A Tale of Two Cities - and am free to read one of your choices. Dh made his suggestions, and from there I wrote out a list of about 15 possibles and will see what our library has.
ReplyDeleteBlessings,
Patti
Of the list of books, my library had 3. I checked out 2. I will read Finding Darwin's God by Kenneth R. Miller. I also checked out Asimov's Guide to the Bible (Old and New Testaments). I will scan that - it also helped me start my research on slavery in Scripture.
ReplyDeleteSo I begin..............
Blessings,
Patti
(Oh, and I was really curious about the Zinn book The People's History - and plan to find a copy to look that over too.)
Patti:
ReplyDeleteAfter reading your post on Ray's latest thread about Titaalik, I have to add Our Inner Fish by Neil Shubin. It's just over two hundred pages.
Kenneth Miller is one of those scientists that the producers of Expelled didn't want to interview because it would "confuse" things.
Rufus said...
ReplyDelete{{{Patti:
After reading your post on Ray's latest thread about Titaalik, I have to add Our Inner Fish by Neil Shubin. It's just over two hundred pages. }}}
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I looked for that one and no library in my county had a copy - so it will have to wait.
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{{{Kenneth Miller is one of those scientists that the producers of Expelled didn't want to interview because it would "confuse" things.}}}
So is that good or bad? This was one of the books listed by a Raytractor, and it was readily available - the only other one there was a bit more philosophical and this one laeaned to science, so that is why I chose it.
Blessings,
Patti
Patti:
ReplyDeleteWell, I just think it's part of the Expelled producers general dishonesty. Ken Miller is a Christian who doesn't deny evolution. Though he's a Catholic and I know Ray and others think that means he's not a "true" Christian. Having Ken Miller in a movie about how evolution is basically the same as atheism (and atheism is the same as Hitler), and about all of these so called persecuted scientists might have given people pause. I have a copy of Your Inner Fish (my mistake, I wrote Our before); I'd be happy to let you read it.
{{{I have a copy of Your Inner Fish (my mistake, I wrote Our before); I'd be happy to let you read it.}}}
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I don't have a lot of internet time this evening - or actually for a few days - but I will reply as I'm able.....
On this offer - it is very generous of you to make this offer. I asked Dh and he said he is fine with me sending you his work address. I will use your bog identity e-mail. I will also assure you that I will return the book. Dh wants me to go ahead and read it - he is confident that the Lord will use it in some way in the future. Things like that seem to happen with regularity and we have learned to go with it.
Blessings,
Patti