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Sunday, July 20, 2008

Ray's Flip-flop Quoting

Ray just changed the quote he had from this...to this.

"Atheism is a disease of the soul before it becomes an error of understanding." -- PlatoPosted by Ray Comfort on 7/20/2008 05:39:00 PM 0 comments

changed to:

"I have a fundamental belief in the Bible as the Word of God, written by men who were inspired. I study the Bible daily. Opposition to godliness is atheism in profession and idolatry in practice. Atheism is so senseless and odious to mankind that it never had many professors." - Sir Isaac Newton

Posted by Ray Comfort on 7/20/2008 05:39:00 PM

Wonder why he did that????

Probably due to this quote from Steven J:

"Note that although Plato rejected the traditional mythical conceptions of the gods (that they begat children, had affairs, lied, cheated and could be deceived), he accepted multiple gods; he even accepted that the sun and moon (which he regarded as eternal) were in some sense "gods." The Platonic Creator, the Demiurge, was not the unique, omnipotent, ontologically necessary God of Christian theology, but a servant of other, higher gods.You presumably reject most of Plato's theology; why attribute such significance to arguments that were based on that theology?"

So the people he quotes from can't simply disagree with atheism, they have to fear Ray's God also. Makes me laugh. How Christocentric!


  1. I think he did for that he can lure atheists to comment, the change it and make us look like we're just angry and want sources or something...

    what a fucking asshole twat cunt face. Ray you can go fuck yourself you egocentric fucktard. By the way...JESUS TITTY FUCKING CHRIST!

    Yeah, your new favorite word, asshole.


  2. Very funny, especially in the light of the fact that Newton was stumped by interaction of gravitational forces of celestial bodies - and said it was impossible and improper to work that out because it was God's domain. Then Laplace did the work a century later, demonstrating that Newton would have been able to do so very well had he not been so irrationally intimidated by his religion.
    "Planets, and Comets, could only proceed from the counsel and dominion of an intelligent and powerful Being." - Newton, Principia
    "Oh cool, a problem to work out" - Laplace, invented by me

  3. I hope that ol' Winston is getting overtime pay.

  4. No, I do not think Ray did this post in response to Steven J. He does not have enough imagination.

    Anyway, nice bit of info felix!

    am enjoying this blog so much. Maybe Clos is right, why go back to Ray's?

    Do you think guys that the ones just reading come to raytractors too? Would there be a way for them to know?


  5. Darn you Clos! You beat me to the punch on updating here for this. I think the change also has to due with the quote not having a source (as far as I can tell).

    I went ahead and posted mine in my blog which includes some screenshots for verification.

  6. I don't plan on going back to Ray's blog, except to gather material. Though there might be some post so egregious that it demands a reply. We'll see.

  7. Guys!

    Brittany wrote this:

    Therefore, Issac was smart enough to admit the fact that there was Something/Someone other than "science" that created the world we live in today...and that someone is God.

    Wow! Now do any of you know of anyone claiming that SCIENCE created the world?


  8. Wow! Now do any of you know of anyone claiming that SCIENCE created the world?

    That's what I always say. I also say that we came from monkeys that climbed out of space goo. I also think that matter created itself and that there are paintings that don't have painters.

    Nice to meet you. My name is Strawman.

  9. G.E.

    Good thing you found this before me, I would've put her in my dumbass theist corner[which is going under renovation on my blog], and a horrible blog post about her being an idiot would've followed.

    I clip their claws off...

  10. Brittany wrote on Ray's post:

    "Great Post Ray!"



  11. hey guys. Sorry for breaking the strike.

    I was just flipping between Youtube, cats getting caught in the overhead fan, and commenting on Ray's blog, same thing.


    What happens when the patients run the hospital?

  12. GE

    You left off the best part of Brittany's post!

    while that may be true, I believe Ray was posting that particular statement as proof that although Issac Newton did not particularly believe in Jesus Christ, he did accept the fact that there had to be Someone who created this world.

    Alcari was commenting on the Plato post but Brittany doesn't miss a beat when Ray switched the post and she incorporates Newton into her Plato response. I wonder if she even noticed or does she believe Newton was not a Christian.

    BTW- so far no one has corrected her

  13. Apparently, Newton denied the Trinity, so Brittany, and Ray, I'm sure, probably don't think Newton was a true Christian, like them.

  14. I love how whole malable that 'True Christian' bullshit is...people are considered Christian or not based on convenience, whether or not it supports the point they are trying to make at any given moment.

    Especially when trotting out the 'America is a Christian nation' or the 'Constitution is based on the bible' bullshit.

    Suddenly every Christian in America is 'True'

    But as soon as one of them gets caught in a sleazy hotel smokin' meth with a gay prostitute or fundie preacher losses his faith or bring up Catholics or even someone sensible like Rob Penn, who has a slightly different intepretation of the bible...oh no, they were never really a Christian(btw, I think it's hilarious how worked up Shiver gets by Rob's post. "Heretic. Burn Him! He's a witch!" LOL, douchebag).

    It's actually a pretty diabolical con, keeps the sheep from ever questioning if they just might possibly by some small chance actually be wrong.

  15. Ha! All Fired Up replied to Dis' request for sources concerning the Plato quote by citing a book about Newton. Is he trying to help Ray hide that he changed the quote, or is he a moron? Or both?

  16. 'Quick, hide that mountain! Here, use my towel!'

  17. I just broke the strike to post on Ray's little 'quote post'; I probably shouldn't have, but once I had the idea I just couldn't resist:

    keywesthaven1@msn.com (Terry) said...
    [his usual drivel followed by] God Bless! hbks1.blogspot

    (emphasis mine)

    Really now. Always one rule for the atheists and one for the christians, isn't it? You clearly state that urls are not allowed in your commenting policy, but it was allowed through. Iago already pointed it out for you. So what are you going to do about it? Absolutely nothing. Leave it there just because it came from one of your minions. I can't believe that you are so blatant. Are you just so confident that your followers won't notice? Really, this has just gone too far.

    Ten points to the first person to spot the reason why I couldn't stop myself...

  18. Paul,

    It's because you're drunk, isn't it?

    Or did you eat a particularly good baby today and feel brave? :-)

  19. Discomforting Ignorance,

    You should double post your take on this here, yours was much more researched and polished than this post...

  20. theShaggy,

    No, sadly I wasn't drunk. Check the capital letters for the hidden message; I was going to go with something a little stronger, but I thought I'd try this first to see if it got through, which it didn't. Whether Mr Smith spotted the hidden message (unlikely), read on here that something was up with it and decided to kill it anyway (possible) or just didn't like what it said and deleted it (most likely) I guess we'll never know. I'll give it a few days and then try again.

  21. Paul, I am in awe.

    Well done. :-)


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