Since I got my ass kicked all over the thread, "Two Days left...," because I called your friend Rob Penn a "phoney and a fraud," I have returned from spending a day with the sons of my best friend who died of a brain tumor last week.
Felix was one of the Rob Penn love festers that came down on me pretty hard. OK.
Rob has now stated on his blog that he loves Weemaryanne, Flinging Dust and etcetera because they are so accepting. Well, good for them. I hope they find solice in being validated by this fucktard. It concerns me not.
What does concern me is how the Rob lovers can reconcile their comments to me, versus their comments that I observe them making to the people at Ray's blog. How is Rob Penn's beliefs any different from Ray's? Does Rob make sense of miracles?
Rob likes to come off as this Rational Christian, but there is no such thing, and for you people to mock me and equate me to Terry Burton for my disbelief, Fuck You. Yes, that would be you, Felix.
If I come back here and find my account deleted then so be it. I don't particularly give a flying fuck, if you know what I mean. I've been fighting the effects of these fundies since most of you were little kids, in some cases, not even born yet.
Having said all that, I'll get out of here.
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So I have no problem with the Supernatural.
ReplyDeleteIs that the only problem you have?
It wasn't enough of a problem to keep you from coming to my defense when Ray dedicated an entire post to why I'm a false witness.
What's the difference between then, when you said things like "... you tend to endure yourself to me because you do not forego logic and reason to retain your belief system.", and now when you say this?
What's changed?
Oh, Dale; for what it's worth, my condolences on the loss of your friend.
ReplyDeleteRob,
ReplyDeleteWith all due respect.
You related on your site that your grandfather was a trained biblicist. You adored him.
You didn't mention your father, but you were immersed in this belief system and I speculate that you are not equipped to challenge your cultural conditioning.
Of course I support your attempt at elevating your position above that of Ray Comfort, yet you reside in the same realm of the supernatural mindset.
dale, mate, chill.
ReplyDeleteIt is possible to like someone despite not agreeing with their religious beliefs. Rob comes across as someone I would be quite happy to share a beer with, chat about sport and local issues, and maybe occasionally have a robust debate over something political or religious. But I'm not going to damn him for holding and expressing those beliefs.
That being said, I bloody well would damn him if he started (as an individual) pushing those beliefs onto me through laws and regulations (or vigorously proselytizing in my face).
As far as I am concerned, arse kicking over the internet IS a sport. (Yes, I said arse, not that namby pamby ass word that you 'merkins use.) Give as good as you get. Vent, if what goes around comes around. Then get back on the field, for fucks sake.
Mate, I'm sorry to hear about your friend. The Universe might not care about us, but we sure can.
I look forward to reading your stuff again in future.
PS. I'm about as old as wee (and have had the dubious pleasure of watching Ray on his soapbox in Cathedral Square, Christchurch, New Zealand, when I was a kid. The Wizard was more entertaining.).
Dale, I'm so sorry about your loss. Please take care.
ReplyDelete(And about Rob: Of course his beliefs are nonsense, and yes, I still hate nonsense. That doesn't mean that I'm required to dislike Rob.)
KiwiInOz,
ReplyDeleteThere is no doubt in my mind that Rob is an exceptianlly good person.
Intenectually speaking, I like Rob, a lot.
I have jumped to his defence more than once over at Ray's site.
But, I wnt to know how he justifies the miracles and certain irrational teachings of "the bible." Then, proceeding from what he has alluded, is he really a christian (?) or someone who is carrying on the belief system that was instilled in him as a little kid.
So, that is all there is to it. It's my belief in the supernatural.
ReplyDeleteOk. ^_^
Well, I'm afraid that that's pretty solid in my mind. My Grandfather didn't do it. In fact, my grandfather's teachings are what grew me into a "false convert."
I do adore my grandfather. It infuriates me to no end that he is under the impression that God can't be calling me either to youth ministry or campus ministry.
God only calls people into Pastoral ministry or missions work, ya know, because those are the only two listed in the Bible. Unless you count prophecy, but the spiritual gifts are all gone because we have the Bible now, so that one doesn't count.
[/sarcasm]
All that to say, the story you are referring to (which you'll find in my first sermon that I've ever written by myself) is about how my Grandfather, with all his training, knowledge, study, intelligence, and power... is wrong. And I'll have to tell him that some day. Probably some day very soon. I'm ready for it.
I'd call that a challenge to conditioning.
The thing is, I believe that God exists because I know the guy. I've spoken to him. We've hung out. Turns out he enjoys that on occasion more than watching me run around doing things all the time. Who'da thunk it?
If that makes me an f-tard, well then, I'm just an f-tard. S'ok. I've been called worse. I've got a whole slew of brothers and sisters ready to grab a handful of rocks because I'm a false prophet. The crowd I run with at school is full of musicians. You should hear some of the things THEY have to say about me.
I don't know if it would offend you if I said "God Bless," or "I'm praying for you," but regardless, I do wish you the best. Especially now with the major hurt. I would love to say "I feel for you," but the fact of the matter is that I have no idea what kind of hurt you feel right now.
I'm glad the conversation's getting out there and happening. It's a good thing. As for what makes my beliefs different than Ray's, I have a post coming up for that one.
^_^
Weemaryanne said...
ReplyDeleteDale, I'm so sorry about your loss. Please take care.
(And about Rob: Of course his beliefs are nonsense, and yes, I still hate nonsense. That doesn't mean that I'm required to dislike Rob.)
I have no authority to tell you what to like and not what to like and I like Rob too. Yet he is heading up a group that perpetuates the belief of ancient supernatural beliefs.
Am I the only one on a supposedly atheisit blog that is confronting this? WTF??????
Dale,
ReplyDeleteThen you can ask him how he justifies things without attacking him personally. Which is all you seem to do. Call him names, act like he's personally offended you.
He's not the only theist who hangs with us here, and yet you're taking a personal affront against him. What the hell is your problem? We're the Raytractors, not Atheist Central. Rob disagrees with Ray on many issues, and so he is just as welcome here as you are.
So chill out. You realize that Christian Asshattery to atheists is only half of the problem that Atheist Asshattery is just as much to blame?
Rob,
ReplyDeletePlease don't tske this as hate. I have seven young managers working for me right now, all of whom I hired, personally, and any one of them could be you.
I am sure that you are competent and resourceful, in fact you rather exude it, but, this is an anonymous and down and dirty discussion with no latitude for emotional appeals.
If you walked into my house right now, you would be welcomed in a warm and welcome fashion. I guarantee you.
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ReplyDeleteShaggy and Rufus,
ReplyDeleteShut up and let this reach a conclusion before you become too critical.
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ReplyDeleteI wish you could hear my laughter. My book on what an asshole is would be a coffee table book consisting of just your photo.
ReplyDeleteRob,
ReplyDeleteSorry for all the "noise" from the others, but you said, "I'm glad the conversation's getting out there and happening. It's a good thing. As for what makes my beliefs different than Ray's, I have a post coming up for that."
Thanks. I'll be looking for it.
Respectfully submitted, dale
Rufus said...
ReplyDelete"I wish you could hear my laughter. My book on what an asshole is would be a coffee table book consisting of just your photo."
although I am emminently pleased that you would consider publishing such a book, I doubt if such a coffee table book with only one page, a picture of me, would garner much sales. I would like to preorder a copy, though. Thanks.
@ dale:
ReplyDeletePlease don't tske this as hate. I have seven young managers working for me right now, all of whom I hired, personally, and any one of them could be you.
I am sure that you are competent and resourceful, in fact you rather exude it, but, this is an anonymous and down and dirty discussion with no latitude for emotional appeals.
If you walked into my house right now, you would be welcomed in a warm and welcome fashion. I guarantee you.
I appreciate that. Seriously.
I'm just glad I didn't do some douchebagged thing that pissed you off. I was worried for a bit, because I have a foot-shaped mouth at times...
You know what pisses me off about all this?
ReplyDeleteYou all know Ray monitors this blog. He and his sheeple must be having a great laugh at our expense right now.
How much you wanna bet he posts a thread about this?
Ray may well post about this little shit storm, but I'm not going to apologize. I think Dale was out of line. It seemed like he was having a case of "can dish it out but can't take it". Let Ray post. I'm not going to call for Dale's execution as a heretic over it.
ReplyDeleteCrap.
ReplyDeleteAnother reason that I'm going to Hell. Fraternizing with them.
Thanks for sealing my fate, guys.
;)
RAYS TRANSLATION:
ReplyDeleteRay you stinkin' piece of $%@$^ mother@#@$ $@#$cakes lying $#!$% who needs to ^#%$% a new #!#$ because you have been $!$#% a crossover of a 70's pornographics @$!$!$ and Luigi from the !@#!@# Bros. (with a #@#@ of Ned F#@!#!@#). And...and...YOUR #@!# #@!!@# DRIVES ME INSANE! GO #!@#!@# YOURSELF, THEN #@#!# YOURSELF IN THE #@!#!@ TO ATTEMPT TO #!@#!@# YOUR !@#!@#! YOU #$%!$ LIKE AN OVERGROWN LEPRECHAUN!
@ Ranting:
ReplyDeleteWere you there when he told me that he blocked a couple of my posts because that's not how a Christian should speak?
I said "Crap" and "Hot steamy pile." I didn't even say "...pile of crap," I just said "hot steamy pile."
Ya know, though, as annoying as it is at times, I don't suppose I can tell another guy what he should and should not let onto his blog. I mean, it's his blog. He can do what he wants with it. If I want to post there, I'll conform to his rules. He gets the greater authority in his house.
Wow. I just noticed this thread now. I'm sorry to hear of your loss, dale. Man, I'm really bad at expressing condolences, sorry.
ReplyDeleteI looked through the thread. I did not find any post where I compared you to Terry. I didn't even think of doing that. If it's there, show me, because honestly I can't find it. You said in that same thread that you mistakenly attributed that statement to flinging instead of rufus, and now you're again misattributing it to me?! All I said was that in that thread on the topic we were talking about at that time, hopping on rob's head was pointless. So, you can take your blindly shot 'Fuck You' and shove it where it belongs, and that's certainly not my ass. Debate rob on the supernatural or miracles, slam him for his views on that if you want to. I've told rob in another thread that the concept of supernatural causes or supernatural anything doesn't make any sense. There's a time and place for everything. Except for flicking off people for things they haven't said.
I respect you, I respect your persistence in challenging stupid delusions, and it'll stay that way.
"Shaggy and Rufus,
ReplyDeleteShut up and let this reach a conclusion before you become too critical."
I'm confused... what happened?
What is/was the purpose of this little outburst, Dale? I was critical of you because you were behaving like a child throwing a temper tantrum. If you had another goal, what was it? To get Rob to explain his religion to you?
Was it worth it?
Felix:
ReplyDeleteI compared Dale to Terry Burton. That's who he read like to me. Irrational and abusive.
@ Ranting:
ReplyDeleteYou know nobody seems too fond of you if your name is used as a cuss word...
When we were talking about the OT, that's what was said about taking God's name in vain. My friends and I experimented and turned "Joel" (one of the regulars of our ministry) into a curse word.
"You son-of-a-Joel!" "I'm gonna Joel up your face, man!" "That thing is just JUBAR!"
It was great fun for about a week or two. ^_^
you've given me an idea...
ReplyDeleteYou son of a Fred Phelps!
....no, wait, he DOES have sons...and it's not so funny...
rufus,
ReplyDeleteI know it was you, it's just that dale apparently connected me with it in his post. No grudge from me, shit happens.
You don't need to compare dale to Terry, I think. It doesn't really fit. If this sticks, anyone getting angry will be called a Terry-something soon. Doesn't help much. Terry has very special issues, imo his father complex with Ray, and his need for attention and company. I admit I skip over almost all of Terry's posts by now. In my book, he's filled his profile. I can't say what Terry would do if he'd suddenly become rejected at Ray's, but I'm pretty sure it would be something drastic. He switches back and forth from hateful to chumming up so often. The only constant is advertising Ray's products. Ray is his anchor, and that's exactly what Ray wants to achieve, and many of the regulars are close behind Terry. An open disconnect of just a few of them with Ray or amongst each other would really mess up their hivemind.