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Thursday, October 9, 2008

Gullibility

This is for all those who thought that a pregnant woman praying for Ray Comfort to be allowed to bust into pre-op and stop her from having an abotion was a teensy bit far-fetched.

Dawn wrote:
Ray, i appreciate your post. i cannot understand why people dont see abortion as murder. There was this lady who talked to our teenagers at camp one summer, and she used to work at an abortion clinic. She said that there were twin babies that were supposed to be aborted, but when they came out of the womb, they were still alive. The doctor said, "Hold on, i'll take care of it." Then he went and drowned the two babies in a bucket of water. And people say its not murder! Anyways, the lady quit working there from that moment on, and became a Christian.

But...abortion is murder. Your story was awesome! God used you to save a life.


If Dawn said this her(?)self, I'd call Poe: as it is she claims it was relayed to her teenagers by a speaker at a summer camp, I'm not entirely sure: she may just be suffering from long term gullibility.


44 comments:

  1. What? Don't all abortion clinics have a bucket of water handy to drown children in? Next you'll be telling me that doctors who perform abortions don't have hunchbacks, squints and horns. I've seen Richard Gunther's cartoons - I know the truth; you can't fool me.

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  2. *Hooks embryo up to lightning rod*

    It's all lies, I tell you! They laughed at me, but I'll show them!!

    Throw the switch, Egor!!!!

    MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAGGHHH!!!!!

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  3. Ok, I'm taking a break from work when I should not even be on the computer in order to post this.

    I used to work for commercial lab when I went out to various doctors offices, hospitals, ect. and picked up their daily specimens, brought them back into the lab, logged them into the computer and changed the container the specimen was in if it had leaked, ect.

    I picked up fairly often from an abortion clinic that wasn't on my route fairly often. The coworker who was supposed to pick up there often didn't have time to get there before closing.

    I saw hundreds of abortions in quart and 2-quart containers in my time working that job and I saw quite a bit of the inner workings of the clinic. I never, EVER saw anything like what is on some of the anti-abortion sites and I never, EVER saw a doctor do or say anything that was even REMOTELY like what is described here. The people at the clinic I picked up from were extremely nice, professional people.

    I am in no way trying to extrapolate my experience to every clinic and hospital in the nation, but as someone who worked close to that field, I call 20 buckets of bullshit on this story.

    Also, just as an aside, a lot of times the containers would leak and I would have to transfer the liquid and POC from one container to another. As I said above, I never saw anything like what is on some of the sites and the signs that the anti-abortion people carry.

    Only once did I see a fetus, approximately 5 months old, in one of our largest containers and it had not been aborted, it had been miscarried and was being sent to the state lab for chromosomal analysis.

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  4. Excuse all the typos and repeated info in my post above. I'm sneaking this time to post and I had to be quick.

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  5. What? No 'abortionist' would ever drown a perfectly good 'baby'. They taste much better when they're still fresh.

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  6. And don't forget; I'm sure that doctor used the fetuses in a Satanic ritual.


    I wonder why Dawn doesn't tell us how far along the pregnancy was? Far enough along that they were viable? Or were they in the earlier stage and it was a miracle? I wonder what they would have done if they had come out alive when they look nothing at all like a human being? You know; with the tail and gill slits?

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  7. As someone recovering from adolescents, I can say that if Dawn heard this from teenagers who heard it at a summer camp, then it's most likely not true! People will tell any bullshit story to teenagers to shock and scare them! It reminds me of every high school anti-drug assembly, and all the preaching I heard from when I went to church. Teenagers are generally gullible and will repeat anything (and even embellish on it themselves)!!

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  8. Revenant said:
    "Teenagers are generally gullible and will repeat anything (and even embellish on it themselves)!!"

    It's weird, actually. I'm 19, and I don't think I've ever been a teenager.

    Wasn't there supposed to be some sort of period where I become a mindless git, get alcohol poisoning, refuse to speak to my parents for months on end except when I need cash and total or otherwise destroy at least one car, preferably not mine?

    (My brother is currently a teenager, and fulfilling all requirements. He even managed two cars.)

    What happened to my teenage years?

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  9. Don't feel bad Quasar, with those criteria, I never had mine either.

    Well, except for destroying that car, but it wasn't my fault.

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  10. Alcari,

    It wasn't my fault either!

    G.E.

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  11. Quaser
    You must be the exception that proves the rule!!

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  12. Quasar said...
    "(My brother is currently a teenager, and fulfilling all requirements. He even managed two cars.)

    What happened to my teenage years?"

    Sounds like your brother's got them; you could ask for them back, but it's not really worth it - being a teenager is somewhat overrated from what I remember.

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  13. I wrote
    "What happened to my teenage years?"
    Paul Brown replied:
    "Sounds like your brother's got them;"

    Hey, you're right! One of the cars was my first car, although I'd sold it to him by that stage.

    Paul Brown wrote:
    "you could ask for them back, but it's not really worth it - being a teenager is somewhat overrated from what I remember."

    Ah, but assuming you actually did go through the teenager period it's highly doubtful you remember much at all...

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  14. I'm 19 and the only teenager thing I got was the whole mad at my parents thing, but I've felt that way for as long as I can remember so I don't know where that puts me.....ultimate confusion.

    Quasar, is your brother younger?

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  15. The younger ones are usually more rebellious. There are some significant statistical correlations on that phenomenon too. My little sisters is a terror and at first when I would see her push the limits with authority I thought "did I do that when I was her age, I don't remember doing that stuff". You would have more insight because you are closer in age with your brother, I mean I think you would remember what you did 18 months ago.

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  16. Since we're all sounding off on our teenage years:

    I'm 20, so I've only just left the wasteland, but as far as I can tell it's more like the lost decade for me as well, no alcohol poisoning no car crashes (to be fair, my parents never bought me a car...) I was definitely more rebellious than my older sister, but hardcore rebellion in my family was mostly reading the God Delusion and disliking President Bush. And under those conditions, who wouldn't get in the occasional snit with the parentals?

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  17. ..."but hardcore rebellion in my family was mostly reading the God Delusion and disliking President Bush."

    Oh me too!!

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  18. @ Skeptical Sorcerer

    Ooo... What denomination are your parents?

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  19. Protestant Missionary, my dad is more like Pentecostal. When I was little he would take me to this one church where people would be screaming and falling over left and right. How about yours??

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  20. Assemblies of God (yes, of Sarah Palin infamy)and I totally survived the crazy pentecostal services, too.
    (I'm sorry, but those are terrifying.) My dad is definitely the most religious (read: crazy) in our family; my mom was originally from happy mostly secular Midwestern Lutheran stock.

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  21. Those Pentecostal services are really scary especially when you're a kid. I think my parents are equally crazy, but in different ways. My dad is more of a fundamentalist, but my mom believes in alot of weird stuff like spirits, possessions, aliens, etc. She'll believe pretty much anything supernatural and it's all "the work of the devil".

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  22. oh I forgot, wow! You went to Palin's church and made it out ok?? I think you need an award.

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  23. @ Skeptical Sorcerer

    Haha, not Palin's personal church in Wasilla, the same denomination, but those videos circulating on YouTube are definitely nothing surprising.

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  24. @ Kelly,

    oh my bad, I knew it was the same denomination, not the exact same church, I just didn't articulate that well hehe.

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  25. Heh, I suppose I can be excused on the parent hating front then: mine are atheists. I get along well with them: with the large issues, we agree on just about everything.

    And I know what you mean, Skeptical Sorcerer, about "statistical correlations". I did a teensy bit of reading on birth order personality types a while back:

    In family's with more than 2 children (of similar age), the first-born will generally be the one with the superiority complex, who takes most after their parents.

    The second-born will usually be the most personable, with lots of friends, but easily influenced by them and rebellious against authority.

    And the last born may be the spoilt in comparison, but will also normally be the most cheerful and happy.

    These might be stereotypes (And I hate stereotypes), but statistically they are quite likely. My brother is second-born and last-born, and it shows.

    I really want to make a self-depricating "superiority complex" joke here, but I'm afraid someone might take it seriously and think I'm arrogant. So... just pretend I made one. And that it was really funny.

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  26. Sorry I spelled your name wrong :(
    You must get that alot. I get "Meghan" instead of "Megan", even by my close friends.

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  27. @ Skeptical Sorcerer

    Oh, sorry! Well thanks then. Yeah, some pretty serious crazy goes down in those churches. Like... Seizing-screaming-person-has-demon-cast-out-of-them crazy.

    Eegh...

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  28. Quasar,

    hahahah hilarious "superiority complex" joke, spot on.

    My sister is the last and second born and she acts like it too. I swear she never gets into trouble. I think we are all stereotypes to some degree, I know I am. Except I'm not like my parents at all but religious and political wise my parents are batshit crazy, so I must be an exception.

    "Heh, I suppose I can be excused on the parent hating front then: mine are atheists. I get along well with them: with the large issues, we agree on just about everything."

    Your family dinners must be relatively peaceful, if I open my mouth too much my meals end in fights lol and my parents don't even know I'm an atheist. My liberal views alone are too much for them.

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  29. Kelley,

    HAHA it's so true. The scary thing is if someone in the congregation had a seizure for real no one would notice.

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  30. hahahah hilarious "superiority complex" joke, spot on.

    Thanks. I'm so funny.

    Much more funny than everyone else!!!

    Aw crap, now I feel like an arrogant jerk. I take that back.

    Because I'm much less arrogant than everyone else!!!!!

    Someone slap me.

    "Your family dinners must be relatively peaceful, if I open my mouth too much my meals end in fights lol and my parents don't even know I'm an atheist. My liberal views alone are too much for them."

    Heh heh. My brother no longer eats at home, so, yeah, it's been pretty quiet recently.

    I don't know what would have happened to me in a situation like yours... I'd probably just end up as quiet around my family as I am around people I don't know (i.e. mute).

    My sympathies: you're stronger willed than me if you still try to talk to others in that environment.

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  31. Well, I'm a 2nd child and I'm 16... where does that put me?

    Mindless git? I certainly hope not... but I suppose that if I was, I wouldn't really be aware of that one, minor detail.

    Alcohol poisoning? Nope, not a chance.

    Refuse to speak to my parents for months on end except when I need cash? While I can empathize with the needing cash part, I do have a relatively good relationship with my parents. Not perfect on any counts --they're old fashioned and crochety and otherwise disagreeable to the teenage mindset, after all-- but we get along, really, we do.

    Total or otherwise destroy at least one car? So far so good. I have hit one deer --which survived, btw-- and which merely took out my left fender. In my defense, deer are rather proliferous up here in N. Idaho, so its not at all uncommon to hit them at random. I don't believe I know any adult that has lived here for any significant extent of time and has not hit one. And...technically, I didn't hit the deer; it hit me --stupid thing jumped on top of my hood. Now, please, what was that you were saying about teenagers being argumentative and overtly technical?

    Also... I am only 16 so I still have a ways to go in proving my true ability at totaling vehicles. ;)

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  32. Quasar,

    haha you're on an arrogant pun roll!!

    "I don't know what would have happened to me in a situation like yours... I'd probably just end up as quiet around my family as I am around people I don't know (i.e. mute)."

    I think you would have still turned out an atheist if you had theist parents, but like you said it's harder to communicate. I wonder about what I would be like with atheist parents. It's annoying right now because I'm basically living a lie around my family, they literally are the only people who don't know I'm not religious. I think I'll let them know when I'm out of the house because I accidentally said "jesus" in a cursing way in front of my dad and he shut off my internet for a few days. I'm quiet around new people too, but once I get to know them I can be a bit of an open book (i.e I'm horrible at lying). That's how my parents know about all the non consevative thoughts that go on in my brain.

    Thanks for the sympathies, I honestly can't even begin to describe how therapeutic talking to like minded people is, especially when I'm at home. It's like a portal to reality from my sometimes crazy house.

    Ornitheologist,

    You only have 4 years left to do crazy stuff, quick before it's too late!!

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  33. :-\

    this thread has long ago taken the wrong offramp to Tangentville.

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  34. I've heard that story before (slightly different). It's just an urban myth.

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  35. Here I find out I'm hanging out with a bunch of teenagers! Gahh!

    Just kidding. My son is almost nineteen and he has been done well, except for a couple errors in judgement.

    It is my experience with my son's friends, my other four kids, and as a Boy Scout leader for 14 years that parents that try to shove the irrational belief systems down their kids throats, demand from them even to comply, seem to have more strife and argumentation going on than parents who allow the kids to make their own choices.

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  36. Addendum to earlier comment:

    Of course we do see a certain number of kids that become totally conditioned into their parents beliefs and they end up as pious litte sons-of-bitches, in my opinion.

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  37. Froggie,

    "....Boy Scout leader for 14 years"

    I thought atheists weren't allowed to join the Boy Scouts.

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  38. SS,

    Our troup managed to stay totally secular.
    I was basically agnostic all those years so if I would have ever have been questioned about it I would have merely said I believe there is a God, which is all that is required, but I never heard that mentioned within our area in all my time as a leader.

    Up here in PA, we don't have much fundy mentality, however there are church based troups that considered us as renigades and heathens at summer camps because we basically out competed them in every venue and when they sniveled and whined our boys would sneak over there during the night and fuck them up in one way or another just for the fun of it.

    Now, in the bible belt the Boy Scouts act more like Sunday School classes and we ran into a few of those over the years. It always made me ill to see them praying before every event, etc, as if it meaned anything.

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  39. TSS said:

    "I thought atheists weren't allowed to join the Boy Scouts."

    In the US, any groups that are public funded in any way cannot discriminate in that respect.

    Just FYI.

    Also, contrary to some people's belief, there are many homosexual/gay individual involvded in all the Scouting organizations, although most at the upper levels (organizational headquarters, wot not).

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  40. Froggie said:

    "...our boys would sneak over there during the night and **** them up in one way or another just for the fun of it."
    (yes, I edited it - sue me).

    Such character building.

    Perhaps this is why I quit scouts... maybe I have a mental block and had someone like you for a leader...

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  41. I would like to further derail this post to say that maybe we should all start thinking of attending the Church of the Black tipped Shark.

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27107721/?GT1=43001

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  42. It is dead now, and the other one was ate. So I am beginning to think they may be false prophets....

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