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Wednesday, October 29, 2008

My response to Vera wanting to discriminate against gays

I often tire of hearing people whine, bitch and complain about being discriminated against when they openly want to discriminate against others themselves. Certain Christians are often declaring that they are being discriminated against based on their faith because of mandatory prayer being removed from schools, ect. But then these same Christians have no problem discriminating against others based on sexual orientation. Here's a great example:

Vera has been trying really hard to justify her own admission that she wouldn't hire a gay person to work in a preschool. See these two comments if you want to read what she has to say on the subject: Vera to Iago 1 Vera to Iago 2

Now, let's say I had a business and I had Vera's attitude. Maybe I could ask 'those more sensitive questions' about her religion and 'pass over someone that I felt would cause these children to make a wrong conclusion' about the existence of a deity. I doubt that Vera would agree that I should be able to do that, but of course in her mind it's ok to discriminate based on her personal preferences of what she deems to be right and wrong.

Just for the record, I wouldn't discriminate against people based on their faith, race, gender, sexual orientation, ect. The scenario I used above is not something I would do. I do not condone discrimination in the workplace or in our schools. But you can't have it both ways, folks.

Sorry I've been posting so much but I'm going on vacation soon so I guess I need to get it out of my system.


  1. Have a nice vacation, nonmagic, there in Belleflower and Huntington Beach.

  2. Rufus, if I were there I would THWAP you so hard !!!!

  3. nonmagic; Tell Ray and the Comfort Freak Show we all said Hi!

  4. "Married life is so fulfilling that I can't imagine how anyone could assume that anything different is better."-Vera

    I can...I love being single!! It's a lot of fun!!:)

    "There is confusion in the children as they try to express what they think. Their conscience is saying one thing but their understanding of tolerance is saying another because children have no idea what is involved in the taking of organs meant for one purpose and using them for another and how demoralizing and defiling that is. They are simply looking at this from a child's perspective."

    I'm guessing she's against straight couples engaging in anything other then regular old missionary position sex...how boring!!

    "They are equating eating string beans to homosex or the difference in skin color that can't be changed."

    Yeah because sexual orientation is a choice unlike skin color...I'm going to choose to be gay from now on! All my gay friends have tons of fun...plus there is a really awesome gay bar near where I live!!

  5. I'm guessing she's against straight couples engaging in anything other then regular old missionary position sex

    then I suspect she would be biblically inaccurate.

    AFAIK, the Bible makes no comment on lesbian relationships or heterosexual sodomy, or oral sex.

    Only indirectly through passages, like God's condeming of Onan could you argue that only straight hetero sex is sanctioned in the Bible, and even in that case I think it reads more that God was pissed at Onan for his disobedience rather than the form it took.

    See Sex in Christ for the low down on what's allowed and whats not.

    Here are the rules on threesomes, and I think Vera should seriously consider this...

    (1) To avoid the impropriety of male homosexuality, a heterosexual couple should not under any circumstances form a threesome with another man.
    (2) Both women involved in the threesome must be willing to keep within traditional female roles (i.e., not taking on masculine appearance or behavior in or out of the bedroom) and recognize the male as the leader in the relationship.
    (3) If the wife’s lesbian sex partner is unmarried, it may be permissible for the husband to have relations with her only with his wife’s consent.
    (4) If the wife’s lesbian sex partner is unmarried, but the wife does not wish her to have relations with the other woman, the husband should respect this.
    (5) If the wife’s lesbian sex partner is married, her husband must not have objections to the relationship.
    (6) If the wife’s lesbian sex partner is married, the husband should refrain from having any sexual relations with her, and should make every effort to control his fantasies about her. He should concentrate his attention on his own wife.

  6. stew,
    your recent link doesn't work 8(

  7. o poo.


    thanks tilia

  8. I have a close aquaintance who was rather homophobic most of his life through college, etc. Got married. His third child, a son, is gay and "Skippy" has told me he knew the boy was gay by the time he reached puberty. Skippy did a 180 in his thinking about gays and he even brought his son and his friend to one of our get-to-gethers at our local watering hole a few weeks back . They were visiting from Florida.
    Those young men were very engaging and interesting conversationalist, and most ipmortantly, it was easy to see how proud Skippy was of his son and his accomplishments.


    If Vera had a gay child she would either changer her tune, or make life hell for that kid. In her case, she would probably chose the latter.

  9. Stew to add to that. Jesus never mentions homosexuality at all. Which is why I believe in time the church will do a 180, just like with slavery. How much time, I don't know.

  10. That's because Jesus never came out of the closet; of course he's not going to talk about it!

    The best thing that could happen to most fundies would be to have a gay kid...probably not best for the kid, but the fundie'd certainly learn a thing or two. I told that to our friend Raani before she closed out her blog, I hope it gave her nightmares.


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