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Wednesday, December 10, 2008

Just a reminder

Ray Comfort is still a piece of shit.


http://raycomfortfood.blogspot.com/2008/12/eternal-publishment.html
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  1. Matthew WoollerDecember 10, 2008 at 12:31 PM

    I want to register the name 'Yoda' with Google just so I can post 'The hate is strong with this one' in response to Comforts bloodlust.

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  2. ExPatMattDecember 10, 2008 at 12:31 PM

    "of of" Ha!

    Oh, and 'Eternal PUBLISHMENT'? Is he talking about his books getting printed for eternity?

    How long before the Ministry of Truth goes to work of these little errors?

    And this is before we even get to the content of the post!

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  3. MaragonDecember 10, 2008 at 12:38 PM

    I want to know what Ray thinks separates him from the Dahmers and the Hitlers. He's certainly okay with condemning them - and anyone else he deems unworthy - of an eternity of eternal torture. Hell, he relishes the thought that those who disagree with him will be punished in unspeakable ways.

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  4. Anna SetheDecember 10, 2008 at 12:47 PM

    I once read a book about a girl who was raped and killed and then went to heaven and watched her family and her killer for years. The family tried to find the culprit but never managed (first they didn't know who it was and when they found out, the guy just vanished)
    The book ended when the killer died because of an obscure accident. It was meant as a kind of happy ending since he went to hell where he belonged, but I always thought that he somehow managed to get away with it...

    Really, I don't understand this hell-thing.

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  5. YaegerDecember 10, 2008 at 12:48 PM

    Sure, Dahmer and Hitler are example of people that no one could show moral support for. Even the person in the hypothetical cartoon would most likely not be supported.

    But no matter what these people did, as horrible as their actions were, there is no reason for an infinite punishment for a crime which at most would only last a finite amount capped at their life time.

    If Hitler had a machine to lure the various groups killed in the holocaust into it and kill them ,and if it had the ability to operate way past his death without any outside upkeep, then and only then would I say he would have to go to hell. This case would be an infinite punishment for an infinite crime.

    Even further abominable is the idea that a small and brief transgression would lead to infinite punishment.

    However, until they find the devil I won't take stock in the notion of hell. I would suggest looking on Krop Tor around black hole K37 Gem 5 as a starting point.

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  6. TJHDecember 10, 2008 at 1:11 PM

    Ha! I didn't even catch "publishment". Ray must be more concerned with his upcoming "books" and how much he'll add to his coffers.

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  7. AnonymousDecember 10, 2008 at 1:12 PM

    The crimes of Myra Hindley and Ian Brady

    A Christian response to Myra Hindley.

    Ray is being deliberately retarded, he knows that it wouldn't matter what Hitler had done, just as long as he had repented and turned to Christ.

    Saul of Tarsus tortured and murdered Christians. After his conversion, "St Paul" became the biggest post-Jesus hero in the freakin' New Testament.

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  8. ExPatMattDecember 10, 2008 at 1:18 PM

    CC,

    Not to mention the fact that Dahmer (who Ray references in this post) was born-again while in prison and so, according to Ray's theology, is actually enjoying eternal joy. Seems fair.

    Wait.

    What?

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  9. Matthew WoollerDecember 10, 2008 at 1:19 PM

    Of course the ultimate irony is that most of the victims of Nazi death camps went straight to hell - according to Ray.

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  10. MaragonDecember 10, 2008 at 1:25 PM

    "Of course the ultimate irony is that most of the victims of Nazi death camps went straight to hell - according to Ray."

    This.

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  11. MiloDecember 10, 2008 at 1:27 PM

    From reading Ray's posts you wouldn't know he claims to be a Christian. I wonder if he has ever listened to what Jesus had to say about revenge?

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  12. theShaggyDecember 10, 2008 at 1:43 PM

    Man, I should have edited more. I think it says what I want to, but could always be clearer.

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  13. Gorth SatanaDecember 10, 2008 at 1:47 PM

    Joe Bloggs told a white lie. Are you happy with Joe being dead? Or do you want him tortured in flames forever?
    Jane Doe looked at a man with lust. Justice demands she be thrown in a lake of fire.
    Have you no desire for retribution? Doesn’t their actions cry out for justice? Perhaps you should go and see the movie "The Boy Who Could Fly" Maybe it will do something for you.

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  14. CraigDecember 10, 2008 at 1:51 PM

    theShaggy,

    Beautiful.

    If Ray reads that and doesn't apologize for this tragic post, he is shameless beyond redemption. I won't hold my breath.

    "Have you no desire for retribution? "

    This tells me everything I need to know about that sad little man.

    wrd. ver. butfers

    Ray is a butfer.

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  15. BaldySlapheadDecember 10, 2008 at 1:57 PM

    Even by Ray's perilously poor ethical standards, that's a low.

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  16. Benjamin FranklinDecember 10, 2008 at 2:10 PM

    Tilia said-

    Really, I don't understand this hell-thing.

    Don't worry, Tilia, neither does Ray.

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  17. theShaggyDecember 10, 2008 at 2:10 PM

    Craig: thanks :-) Heh, I only post some of my responses here for posterity, because I figure that much time spent shouldn't be wasted with Ray's delete button.

    Once the SMRT forums go up, we should so have a stick thread for this. I'm certain I'm not the only one.

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  18. Benjamin FranklinDecember 10, 2008 at 2:43 PM

    "I'm not a bad guy! I work hard, and I love my kids. So why should I spend half my Sunday hearing about how I'm going to Hell?"

    Proof once again that Homer Simpson is far wiser than Ray Comfort.

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  19. NohmDecember 10, 2008 at 2:50 PM

    What's a butfer?

    (word verification: partier)

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  20. MiloDecember 10, 2008 at 2:55 PM

    Great job, Shaggy!

    I think that was Ray's most outrageous post to date.

    I hope someone ridiculed him for his typos too.

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  21. CraigDecember 10, 2008 at 3:14 PM

    "What's a butfer?"

    I don't know. It just sounded like something I should call Ray.

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  22. QuasarDecember 10, 2008 at 3:19 PM

    Guys: these responses were epic. Ray has been obsphoged. There's really nothing else to add.

    Do you think Ray writes the scripts for those cartoons?

    PS: Don't bother looking up obsphog: it's the word verification.

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  23. TJHDecember 10, 2008 at 3:40 PM

    Ralph Wiggum is wiser than Ray Comfort.

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  24. TripMaster MonkeyDecember 10, 2008 at 3:46 PM

    Here's my response to Ray's "argument", reposted here in case it doesn't get past Ray's crack team of moderators:
    _____________________________________

    Just when you think Ray can't set the bar any lower, he comes out with a gem like this.

    Alex, you have just revealed something about your character. Jeffery Dahmer raped murdered, dismembered, and then ate his victims. If one of them was your little brother, would you want Dahmer to go to Hell? Or are you quite happy (assuming that you are an atheist) for him simply to be dead.

    Three problems with this argument, Ray:

    1) False dilemma. There are other choices for the atheist than wishing Dahmer dead.

    2) Isn't your religion supposed to be big on forgiveness?

    3) You can wish your enemies to be tortured for all eternity, but that doesn't make it true.

    How about Hitler? Where would you like him to end up? Are you happy also for him to be dead?

    Same problems as with your last "argument".

    Then that reveals something about your attitude to six million dead Jews. Have you no desire for retribution? Doesn’t their blood cry out for justice?

    This passage reveals quite a bit about your attitude, Ray. Isn't it written, "judge not, lest ye be judged"?

    Perhaps you should go and see the movie "The Boy in Striped Pajamas." Maybe it will do something for you.

    Perhaps you should look up the etymology of the word "forgive". Maybe it will do something for you.

    What's really amusing is that in all of your self-righteous chest-thumping about Dahmer and Hitler, you completely failed to address Alex's basic point - that no amount of finite wickedness, no matter how severe, merits infinite punishment. That's the crux of Alex's argument, and twelve sentences later, you not only fail completely to even address this, but what you do address, you do with completely specious arguments.

    Honestly, Ray...are you even trying anymore?

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  25. Paul BrownDecember 10, 2008 at 4:23 PM

    Nohm said...
    "What's a butfer?"

    Some one with a butfer a face.

    Brought to you by the Royal Institute of Childish Insults, est 1841. "We Know That You Are, but What Are We?"

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  26. Paul BrownDecember 10, 2008 at 4:35 PM

    Somehow I don't think that this will make it through the censors (although publishing it here seems to help), but I just posted the following:

    Okay, Ray, you want torture for sins? Well, you've sinned plenty (everyone's guilty of adultery, murder and lying, remember?) so how about you show us some justice? Now, I'm not a giant Beard in the Sky (TM), so I'm not going to demand an infinite amount of torture, which was the point that Alex was fultiley trying to hammer through your skull, but I am happy to settle for fifteen minutes. Quarter of an hour. 1.042% of a day. A mere 28.5millionths of a year. The tiniest, most insignificant portion of your life here on Earth and, surely, an immeasurable blip in your eternal existence.

    So, Ray, you get yourself waterboarded for fifteen minutes (by professionals, please - this can be very dangerous if done by amateurs) on video and I will convert. Money where your mouth is time.

    Who thinks that he'll take me up on the offer?

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  27. NohmDecember 10, 2008 at 4:36 PM

    Damn, I was hoping for:

    "What's a butfer?"

    Pooping, mostly.

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  28. NohmDecember 10, 2008 at 4:41 PM

    For the record, I agree that Ray's argument is absolutely horrible and will get shredded...

    But, for me, nothing will beat his "how did those male and female humans evolve the ability to have sex?" post from last week.

    (word verification: "choofor")

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  29. Paul BrownDecember 10, 2008 at 4:47 PM

    Nohm said...
    (word verification: "choofor")

    Okay then, to defend the honour of the institute:

    What's a choofor?
    A choo is for Easter, not just for Christmas.

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  30. Benjamin FranklinDecember 10, 2008 at 4:47 PM

    choofor? Whats a choofor?

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  31. Benjamin FranklinDecember 10, 2008 at 4:49 PM

    its for when you sneeze.

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  32. AlexDecember 10, 2008 at 5:03 PM

    I posted the following response to Ray, which also has not yet been published.

    Ray,

    The problem is that even if I wanted there to be a hell for Jeffery Dahmer to be punished for having killed, raped and eaten my little brother, I'm intellectually honest enough to realize that my wanting it to be so doesn't make it so. In fact, it doesn't even make it the tiniest bit more likely.

    Based on the comic with which you prefaced your comment, I fear that I may not have been clear enough in my original remark, so let me try again.

    I don't have a problem with punishment per se; but I do have a problem with the idea of eternal punishment. (An important distinction that your comic ignores.) The reason for this is that I believe that the punishment should fit the crime, and no matter how heinous the crime, eternity is just too much punishment.

    If there were a hell, maybe Hitler would deserve a thousand years of punishment, maybe a million, maybe a billion, maybe even a trillion. No matter. Even a trillion years (thats 1,000,000,000,000 years) is but a speck when compared to eternity. (Looked at another way, eternity consists of an infinity number of trillion year periods.)

    Put simply, as finite beings (and notwithstanding our penchant for nastiness) I don't believe that we are capable of the infinite evil that would be necessary in order to justify infinite punishment.

    A related problem with eternal punishment is that if damnation is the result of both mass murder and adultery, so that the mass murderer and the adulterer both end up in hell forever, then that sort of suggests that mass murder and adultery are morally equivalent, and that seems to be an affront to common sense.

    I hope that has clarified my view. I await your reply.

    Pax

    It was really hard not to be snarkier.

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  33. WhatevermanDecember 10, 2008 at 5:13 PM

    Tilia wrote Really, I don't understand this hell-thing.

    It's a simple concept designed to scare the ignorant (or perhaps those who haven't decided whether they buy Christianity or not).

    Really, it's a leftlover from theocratic rule

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  34. ExPatMattDecember 10, 2008 at 5:28 PM

    In trying to clarify his position to Ray Comfort, Alex said;

    "...and that seems to be an affront to common sense."

    Since when has Ray let common sense get in the way of a good bit of fear-mongering and misrepresentation?

    Good luck with that approach...

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  35. AnonymousDecember 10, 2008 at 7:31 PM

    Wow you guys really nailed Ray on this one!

    I found this sentence of Ray's interesting:
    "Doesn’t their blood cry out for justice?"

    How primitive and hateful does this one sound? Also, way to confuse justice and punishment with an eternal hell Ray. If someone disagrees with hell that doesn't mean they disagree with punishment (duh). I would take it a step further and say I wouldn't even agree with capital punishment. It makes me think of that "why do we kill people who kill to show that killing is wrong" saying. What makes us any better than a killer when we kill him/her? The only difference is someone started the killing first. You would think since Ray acts like he is so much more moral than everyone else he would try and be the better, more forgiving and more just person.

    Eternal hellfire =/= punishment. The only purpose it could serve is to make the heaven people feel good, which is just sick. If you are truly moral you wouldn't enjoy watching anyone be physically harmed and would only use it if it were the only way to avoid further harm (like in the case of self defense).

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  36. Paul BrownDecember 10, 2008 at 8:02 PM

    The Skeptical Sorcerer said...
    'It makes me think of that "why do we kill people who kill to show that killing is wrong" saying.'

    Sort of like parents who catch their child hitting their siblings and belt them across the head whilst screaming, "Don't hit people!" Come to think of it, didn't one of Ray's earlier posts say that his father was a corporal punishment sort of guy? Perhaps the authoritative / punishing father figure thing is what he is actually looking for in his god; we do, after all, create our own gods regardless of what the "official" version of our religion. Just look at how much picking and choosing goes on with the bible and whether or not it says you should keep slaves / hate gays / stone children / burn witches etc. What the book says is, for the most part, quite clear (it reflects the attitudes of the tribe(s) that wrote it), but all Christians that I have ever met interpret it to meet what they want it to say.

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  37. AnonymousDecember 10, 2008 at 8:37 PM

    @ Paul Brown,

    Exactly! I once saw this child who was being really loud and shouting at other people, so her dad pulled her right up to his face and screamed "stop shouting at people!!!". Then the dad went about his day like nothing obviously ironic had just happened.

    I definitely find Ray intriguing on a psychological level and if he is making his god like his father that could explain alot about why he writes some of the things he does. I think people subconsciously interpret many things based on their past experiences, what they want to be true, etc without even being aware of it.

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  38. TJHDecember 10, 2008 at 8:38 PM

    One of my favorite psychos from Ray's is back on this post; "Brent", who said he'd rather have his daughter die in a fire than be rescued by an atheist, because we would corrupt her and cause her damnation. Anyone else remember him?

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  39. RandoDecember 10, 2008 at 11:27 PM

    Rufus:

    I just replied to Brent, and reminded him of the fire discussion.

    Guy's a total fucktard. Too bad there isn't actually a god to protect his daughter from his batshit insane beliefs.

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  40. Benjamin FranklinDecember 11, 2008 at 12:20 AM

    Not to worry about Brent.

    The market is so bad in Atlanta right now, every developer is royally fucked.

    He's gonna have to pray a lot harder!

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