Our New Home

We have a new home, come join us at WeAreSMRT (We Are Skeptical Minds & Rational Thinkers)

The Forum

Monday, November 24, 2008

Equal Rights for Christians!

Christian bashing is on the rise again! In Hollywood, writers, producers, and directors are all conspiring to tear Christianity to shreds. The innocent, persecuted Christians in this nation are suffering at the hands of a secular, atheist majority who wants nothing more than to eliminate Christians either by force or through matinees.

Hollywood even has the gall to release the blatantly anti-God story "Harry Potter and the Deathly Hollows" as two movies.

For more information and to learn how you can help this dwindling minority from the oppressive rule of corporate America, read this heart-breaking article written by a truly persecuted Christian.

62 comments:

  1. Oh noes! The film about the talking polar bear is going to destroy Jebus-worship in America!

    How weak is their faith, honestly?

    Good link.

    ReplyDelete
  2. Hey, it seems that if someone doesn't approve of something (like a film), a boycott speaks loud(ly?) enough.

    ReplyDelete
  3. Here we go again...

    It continually amazes me how a demographic that comprises 83% of the population of the country can be so hideously oppressed by a demographic that comprises a paltry 4% of the population. You'd almost think their God isn't all that powerful...

    ReplyDelete
  4. Dear Michael Boyer,

    If you don't like a movie don't go see it and stop whining about it.

    Thanks,

    NM

    ReplyDelete
  5. I honestly read it as...

    "eliminate Christians either by force or through manatees. "

    ReplyDelete
  6. Yaeger,

    For the rest of the day I will amuse myself with the prospect of how one might eliminate Christians through the use of manatees.

    This is going to turn out to be a great day in my head. Thanks Yaeger !

    ReplyDelete
  7. I still think that "the golden compss" flopped because it was extremely boring compared to the book. Hardly remember anything beside some nice pictures.
    But I prefer European films anyway. If you don't have millions of dollars for special effects, you have to think about some story.

    ReplyDelete
  8. Pity the poor Christians who innocently go into a movie for some entertainment and end up having thier worldview shattered, and their faith challenged.

    Next thing you know, they will be forced to listen to sinfull rock & roll music until they (God forbid) dance

    One more bitchy, whiney pissant.

    If there weren't daily affronts to Christianity, James Dobson, Bill Donohue, and hundreds of other bullshit preachers would be out of a job.



    Leonard Nimoy is a danger to Christianity? Live long and prosper, Lenny.

    BTW, this whackjob's long list of "horrible Hollywood offenders" smacks of McCathyism.

    ReplyDelete
  9. Tilia -

    I agree with you on the part that, the US film industry seems to put more and more money into special effects/CGI than they put into hiring good talent or good story writers.

    ReplyDelete
  10. Fireproof

    TOTAL LIFETIME GROSSES

    Domestic: $31,505,000

    No Foreign market listed.

    The Golden Compass

    TOTAL LIFETIME GROSSES

    Domestic: $70,107,728 18.8%
    + Foreign: $302,127,136 81.2%
    = Worldwide: $372,234,864


    Yes Apples and Oranges considering the cost to make each.

    Of course it was the email campaign that killed it in the states and not that it was panned by critics.

    Also the only thing worse than the World Nut Daily is using the World Nut Daily as a source.

    "In reality, Milk was corrupt; described by Bob Unruh of WorldNetDaily as an "anti-religious sexual anarchist" who promoted the very promiscuity which hastened the spread of AIDS."

    ReplyDelete
  11. http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Archive/Rec/rec.arts.movies.current-films/2008-05/msg00278.html

    Also a good reason why the second two parts to "His Dark Materials" is not being made. New Line Cinema no longer exists, partly because they sold "The Golden Compass" before the foreign market sales.

    ReplyDelete
  12. Never let the facts get in the way of declaring a victory for Jebus.

    ReplyDelete
  13. Man, if you listen closely, you can hear my heart break for the poor little Christians and their silent minority of peace-loving happy folk!

    ... oh wait. It's not break at all.

    ReplyDelete
  14. I love the way people have to be pre tagged so we can correctly pigeon-hole them:
    "radical homosexual director Gus Van Sant"
    "abortion advocate Leonardo DiCaprio"
    "anti-family film director Sam Mendes"
    "Christian-bashing actor Johnny Depp
    atheist author Phillip Pullman"

    ReplyDelete
  15. I fogot "whiney blogger Michael Boyer"

    ReplyDelete
  16. By this logic, which is very common among fundies, having someone disagree with you is tantamount to being persecuted. So this tool's efforts to promote Christianity--or any effort to promote Christianity--are persecuting me.

    ReplyDelete
  17. NonMagic,

    OMG. That manatee is so cute. I just want to hug it.

    ReplyDelete
  18. Kelley,

    He really is a cutie, isn't he?

    ReplyDelete
  19. AWSOMENESS!!!!

    They're making Angels and Demons into a film! It was way cooler than the Da Vinci Code, and it had antimatter!

    Plus I'm glad to hear they plan on finishing the HP series: I wasn't sure if they would (how old are those actors now?). The fifth one was dark, the sixth one was depressingly awful, but at least Deathly Hallows wrapped everything up and brought back some unexpected plot devices from the previous novels.

    Can't say I'm interested in any of the others, although I've been meaning to read The Golden Compass when I can find it in the library.

    ReplyDelete
  20. Oh, and this thread should have had a rule about what we must call Michael Boyer in every comment.

    @Boyner: You're an ignorant, moronic, freaked up piece of primordial toad excrement dipped in crockoduck urine and mashed banana!

    ReplyDelete
  21. When I went to see the Davinci Code, there were droves of crackpot xtian protestors outside telling us the movie was a work of satan. I don't remember hearing about atheists protesting The Passion. Oh yeah, there are so few of us in town we probably wouldn't even have enough for a protest!!!!

    ReplyDelete
  22. This comment has been removed by the author.

    ReplyDelete
  23. BREAKING NEWS

    Quasar Develops Time-Travelling Technology
    Sees 6th Harry Potter Movie 8 Months Before Release

    ReplyDelete
  24. My comment on the site, though I doubt it will be published:

    Those awful Atheists are bashing on that Christian minority again. I have money they will make a film about Genesis 19, which is only about virgin gang-rape and drunken incest if you take it "out of context"

    ReplyDelete
  25. Oh man this site is a gold mine:

    http://www.onenewsnow.com/Persecution/Default.aspx?id=324848

    Look out its MILITANT GAYS!

    ReplyDelete
  26. Hey Kelly, this might come as a surprise, but the Harry Potter movies are actually based off a series of books which have already been released. Who'dve thunk it?

    [Cheeky Sarcastic Grin]

    Please don't kill me.

    ReplyDelete
  27. Quasar,

    LOL, sorry it sounded like you were saying the 6th movie was awful. Did you really think Half Blood Prince was awful? Depressing I agree with, but I thought it was a great story.

    ReplyDelete
  28. Nonmagic - I got to eat dugong (Manatee) when I was on one of the Torres Strait Islands (near Papua New Guinea). Tasted like beef, but the fat was sweeter. Mmmm.

    ReplyDelete
  29. Stew said...
    I love the way people have to be pre tagged so we can correctly pigeon-hole them:"

    Exactly!

    But my favorite line was the last sentence where he gives away his intention of the article:

    "[Before seeing a movie]Always check with your trusted grassroots resources first -- such as AFA.net, MovieGuide, PluggedInOnline, Al Menconi Ministries, and the Parents Television Council."

    In other words, be sure you check with the fundy censors before you watch a movie because you are too dumb and impressionable to watch a movie that we do not approve of.

    Gahhhh!

    That is one thing you will never, ever hear, from a rational person, "Don't watch this movie,because it might influence you."

    Those poor pathetic fuckers.

    ReplyDelete
  30. This comment has been removed by the author.

    ReplyDelete
  31. Vagon,
    That squirrel in your avatar would definitely have some bragging rights among the squiiels in my neighborhood.

    Is his nickname Nuts?

    ReplyDelete
  32. Kiwi,

    I had no idea that people ate manatee!

    ReplyDelete
  33. Nonmagic, it's a traditional part of the diet of many indigenous people around the top of Australia, PNG, Indonesia etc. Unfortunately it is not necessarily being harvested sustainably any more.

    Back on topic - those poor fragile darlings. Any challenge to their ideology or worldview and they crumple and fold. If only it were that easy.

    ReplyDelete
  34. So, let's see if I am internalizing this correctly.

    Studies show that gays are somewhere bx 3 and 10 percent of the population.

    Cristians are 92 persent of the population. Ray Comfort Cultists represent about 0.0000000000000001 percent of the population.

    Any questions?

    ReplyDelete
  35. It is no wonder why Ray and his minions think the gays are going to come over and beat them up.

    Ray's cult is populated by less of the population than gay folks.

    Ray knew that before I figured it out. I love the way people like Comfort like to Demonize others. But they don't realize that only works with their minions that are already conditioned.

    People like Ray are driving a wedge between themselves and society in the exact same manner as David Koresh and Jim Jones, except Ray is slightly more amicable, and seemingly less likely to do harm to his followers.

    It is obvious that Ray is trying to build a family dynasty out of his belief system rather than follow the precepts of his mentor.

    Ray Comfort is in his minisrtry to enrich his family and friends. Period.

    He is no different than Benny Hinn, Joyce Myers, Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell, or any of those other psycho babalists.

    Ray is an upstart """""christian"""" ""Prophet""""
    Trying to bring his belief to the forefront through latching on to mailing list of the credulasists that he paid his money for.

    ReplyDelete
  36. TMM wrote It continually amazes me how a demographic that comprises 83% of the population of the country can be so hideously oppressed

    They're going to continue to portray it this was until the US becomes a theocracy. The feeling of persecution motivates well-meaning-but-brainless Christians to fight their imaginary subjigation.

    It's propaganda designed to do nothing less than galvanize the rank and file into Doing Battle For Jesus.

    ---

    These days, the amount of stupid is forcing me to reconsider my line of work. I think I may just take up a job teaching...

    ReplyDelete
  37. Kelly,

    It was probably a number of factors, but I really didn't like HBP. It had been a while since I'd read Harry Potter, and I'd forgotten the path it was going down, so my expectations were for something a lot less dark: a kids book.

    When I picked up Deathly Hallows, however, I was more aware of what the book would be like and was expecting a few dark moments. I was still a bit shocked when Rowling wen't on a character killing-spree. But I was more prepared for it than I was with HBP, so it didn't depress me as much.

    It's not a series I'd read over and over, but it's OK when you remember that beyond the forth book it's no longer aimed at a young audience. It's nowhere near the quality of Terry Goodkind, or Terry Pratchett, though.

    ReplyDelete
  38. When my wife told me that she got an e-mail about the golden compass being anti-Christian, and all that crap, I immediately said: Oh! Then we have to go see it! (We did).

    Then I bought the book that has the whole thing (his dark materials). I was actually expecting it to be the usual common nowadays book. But I enjoyed it (them, three books in one), a hell of a lot. Way to go Philip! I have gotten other books by the guy, and he is quite good compared to all other modern stuff around (like harry potter, but the last book was not so bad).

    Anyway, why was the lord of the rings not in the anti-Christian movies?

    G.E.

    ReplyDelete
  39. Christianity must be a fragile religion if all that is needed to destroy it is a blockbuster movie.

    ReplyDelete
  40. g_e,
    Tolkien was a Christian, not very outspoken and quite Catholic, so that probably doesn't count for much, but at least the Donohueites would keep out of it.
    Imagine a Protestant writing a movie that the Catholics would hate. Their picketeers meet in front of the theater. Both are carrying placards 'End the oppression', 'This is the beginning of the new persecution', 'Protect our freedom'.
    A lone atheist strolls by, points and laughs at them, and then they have him arrested for disrupting their excercise of free speech.
    As he's being hauled away, they quickly rewrite their signs to protest against atheists, and together happily claim persecution ever after.

    ReplyDelete
  41. G.E. and Felix,

    Catholic or not, Tolkien is also widely credited with converting C.S. Lewis - bonus points by association even if he was wun o' dem Cat-licks.

    ReplyDelete
  42. get_education,

    It's probably because Mr. Boyer of the posted article is still unaware of Frodo's march across the globe as an unstoppable force of supreme moral authority. He'll learn, he'll learn.

    ReplyDelete
  43. nonmagic,

    While we're on the subject of sea creatures, I feel like dolphins could probably teach a lot of Christians about morality. They seem to have the whole altruism thing down at least.

    ReplyDelete
  44. America is such a post-Christian culture.It's become so antithetical to Christian values.

    ReplyDelete
  45. Well, yeah, Tolkine mght have been a catholic. But if they find anti-christianism in Harry Potter, they should find even more of it in TLOTR. After all, no mention of Christ or of YHMH there, all kinds of beings, all fighting against an all powerful being who almost can see anything ... There is plenty to make stupid associations and charge this also as part of holliwood's persecution against christians.

    And if they read the silmarilion!

    G.E.

    ReplyDelete
  46. Was America a founded as a Christian Nation MFT?


    Well to answer that let's look at the Treaty of Tripoli.

    Authored by American diplomat Joel Barlow in 1796, the following treaty was sent to the floor of the Senate, June 7, 1797, where it was read aloud in its entirety and unanimously approved. John Adams, having seen the treaty, signed it and proudly proclaimed it to the Nation.

    It was published in it's entirety in all the major newspapers of the time.

    Why is this important you ask? Article 11.

    Article 11 states, "As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of Mussulmen; and, as the said States never entered into any war, or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties, that no pretext arising from religious opinions, shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries."

    These are the words of our founding fathers (emphasis mine).

    http://www.stephenjaygould.org/ctrl/treaty_tripoli.html

    Why did people come to the Americas in the first place? Part of it was because of religious persecution, no not the only reason people came though. What religion was in control of Europe? That would be Christianity.

    ReplyDelete
  47. MFT said-

    "America is such a post-Christian culture.It's become so antithetical to Christian values."

    Bullshit!

    The majority of Americans simply have not, do not, and hopefully, will not ever ascribe to, (or be forced to practice) the tainted, personal interpretations of "biblical values" as spewed forth by popular dominionist thinkers such as D. James Kennedy, James Dobson, Don Wildmon, Roy Moore, Rick Santorum, Paul Weirich, Phyliss Schafly, Gary Bauer, David Barton and others.

    America has not become "antithetical" to Christian values. It was never initially established to legislate Christianity, regardless of what you hear, and obviously believe, from the diatribes of Limbaugh, Hannity, O'Reilly, et al.

    The entire concept of the freedoms that individuals enjoy in America is, and always has been "antithetical" to Christ's teachings, and the Christian church since it's inception.

    Acts 2 44-45
    And all that believed were together, and had all things in common; And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need.

    Acts 4 32-35
    And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul: neither said any of them that ought of the things which he possessed was his own; but they had all things common. And with great power gave the apostles witness of the resurrection of the Lord Jesus: and great grace was upon them all. Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold, And laid them down at the apostles' feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need.

    That sure doesn't promote the values of capitalism and the freedoms of individuals.

    America was based on Enlightenment thinking, not biblical preaching.

    The "values" that you refer to (although it really is incumbuent upon to to better define the term) are mere talking points of deluded meddlers who want to control what goes on in everyone else's underwear and bedrooms.

    But you can keep on thinking the ignorant, patently false concepts you do, entirely because we live in a country that gives you the freedoms to do so.

    That you feel that America is a "Christian Nation" is just further evidence of your naivete, and your myrmidon mentality.

    ReplyDelete
  48. MFT

    Do you also want to look at the "Christian values" of slavery, authoritarianism, and female inequality?

    Go read Paine, Locke, Rousseau, Jefferson, and Franklin, you silly, ignorant child.

    ReplyDelete
  49. MFT wrote America is such a post-Christian culture.It's become so antithetical to Christian values.

    The problem is with Christianity, not America.

    Let's face it: your theology is morally bankrupt as an institution. Regardless of whether or not Good Christians actually exist (meaning a good person who happens to be a Christian), you appear unwilling to examine your past mistakes.

    Religious wars, preaching morality that contradicts the book you claim to have faith in, trying to turn this country into a theocracy (all while crying about being persecuted), turning the other cheek only when it suits you, etc.

    I'm sorry, but you folks have no one to blame for the lack of "Christian Values" here in the US but yourselves. You maintain your flock by lying and misleading them - and then wonder at the cause of the antipathy directed at you.

    You've got absolutely no evidence whatsoever that your belief system is superior to anyone elses. So stop trying to pretend otherwise.

    Please. Grow up. Treat yourselves and the rest of the people on this planet as adults.

    /rant

    ReplyDelete
  50. Thank God for the First Ammendment!

    Without that these Christians would be killing each other trying to gain dominion over the government

    The Founding Fathers did well.

    ReplyDelete
  51. In other words

    http://api.ning.com/files/XDhIWpkRMRf*6P*Hlsx*afKFp4iFu9OsVogduuiAt-U8DOJyOYdeClbVrRp-6QZkA37Ls*vEXYakFnLT3f7pm6xgvCC1AF9C/epicFAIL.jpg

    ReplyDelete
  52. Beamer,

    That is exactly what it would have looked like without the first ammendment! Thanks!

    Another thought is just think what would be happening if the bible were our founding doc. !AYEEE!

    ReplyDelete
  53. I think people misinterpreted my comment. I wasn't trying to say America was/is/should be a theocracy.
    Ijust want to make that clear.

    ReplyDelete
  54. P.S. Ben Frankln reminds me of McCarthy (or Stephen Colbert). He cries communism when Jesus' disciples share their stuff.I suppose he thinks faith based initiatives and charity are communistic too.

    [Do you also want to look at the "Christian values" of slavery, authoritarianism, and female inequality?]
    Because non of the people involved in abolishing those things had ANYTHING to do with Christianity..

    [Go read Paine, Locke, Rousseau, Jefferson, and Franklin, you silly, ignorant child.]
    only if you read Augustine's "City of God".

    ReplyDelete
  55. [The problem is with Christianity, not America.]
    I would say the problem is wth Christians not the ideology. It is our hypocrisy and willingness to tolerate evil that have made stuff the way it is today.

    [Let's face it: your theology is morally bankrupt as an institution. Regardless of whether or not Good Christians actually exist (meaning a good person who happens to be a Christian), you appear unwilling to examine your past mistakes.]
    I think Christians have tried to learn from our mistakes and accept reform when it is needed.

    [Religious wars,]
    I don't think any religious war have been fought in the US.

    [ preaching morality that contradicts the book you claim to have faith in]
    like what?

    [trying to turn this country into a theocracy (all while crying about being persecuted),]
    iI don't think anyone wants America to be a theocracy.

    [turning the other cheek only when it suits you, etc.]
    What??

    [I'm sorry, but you folks have no one to blame for the lack of "Christian Values" here in the US but yourselves.]
    I guess you're right

    [ You maintain your flock by lying and misleading them - and then wonder at the cause of the antipathy directed at you.]
    I don't think anyone is lying. I mean you may believe our message to be untrue but I think you can accept we at least try to be sincere about it

    [You've got absolutely no evidence whatsoever that your belief system is superior to anyone elses. So stop trying to pretend otherwise.]
    I guess we will just agree to disagree then

    [Please. Grow up. Treat yourselves and the rest of the people on this planet as adults.]
    I will.

    ReplyDelete
  56. MFT

    I didn't misinterpret your comment.

    You said "(America has) become so antithetical to Christian values."

    That is just French-kissing your Grandma WRONG!

    You now try to weasel out of such profound ignorance by claiming misinterpretation and that you don't advocate theocracy.

    Well, goody for you. But you completely and conveniently ignore the fact that if America was not at any time equivilent to your "Christian values", it is impossible for it now to have become antithetical to such "values".

    Have you ever read Locke, Paine, Rousseau and other Enlightenment scholars? Or was that similarly ignored at your Christian school while instead of rational thinking you were taught the sermons of Johnathan Edwards in history class and flood geology in Earth science?

    ReplyDelete
  57. MFT said-

    "I don't think anyone wants America to be a theocracy."

    You are a fool, then.

    ReplyDelete
  58. This comment has been removed by the author.

    ReplyDelete
  59. MFT says I remind him of McCarthy.

    This is the most unheard of
    thing I've ever heard of.

    I'll have you know that I have here in my hand a list of two hundred and five people that are known to be evangelical fundamentalists and who nevertheless are still working
    and shaping the policy
    in Congress.

    ReplyDelete

Unlike Ray we don't censor our comments, so as long as it's on topic and not spam, fire away.

Note: Only a member of this blog may post a comment.