Genesis Contradictions - Chapter II

Well, it looks like our good buddy Ray has taken me up on my suggestion that he turn the "Genesis Contradictions" subject into a regular feature. His latest post addresses the contradiction that God apparently creates light before He creates a sun to generate said light.

Ray glibly dismisses the contradiction thusly:

EXPLANATION : God is light (1 John 1:5, Revelation 22:5). He eternally existed, before He created the Sun to give light to the earth.

Well, Ray, that interpretation may resolve the above contradiction, but in so doing, it introduces a whole mess of new ones. Let's look a little more closely at the passages in question:

Genesis 1:2-4

Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.

And God said, "Let there be light," and there was light.

God saw that the light was good, and He separated the light from the darkness.

Now, if "God is light", why exactly would darkness be over the surface of the deep? If "God is light", and God has eternally existed, then it logically follows that light has eternally existed, and therefore, darkness could not be over the surface of the deep.

Also, why exactly would God need to speak light into being, if God is light?

Also, why would God have to see the light before concluding that it was good, if God Himself is light?

This is what happens when you try to make the case that an ancient primitive world creation myth is factually accurate, Ray. It's like trying to dig a hole in the sand at the water's edge...the harder and faster you dig, the more water pours in.

This Caught My Eye

I'm sure most of you are familiar with the right wing rag, World Net Daily. If not here is a fairly typical article they publish. They have a rather large audience. I never read it anymore, but Ed Brayton picked off this one.

Wait! Before you go there, you must know that this is the mouthpiece of Chuck Norris. Yes, the highly esteemed actor and arbitor of all morals in the United States. He has some pretty zany companions including Mike Huckabee, et al.

Proceed at your own risk.

Jean- Part Two

I was going to say that I am speechless over Jean's reply to her current lay-guilt-and-shame-on-your-kids post.

But I am not speechless, though. As bad as it was, it gets worse and I could write for the next hour all the ways that this is so wrong.

I could be naive, or have lead a sheltered life, but that is not the case. I've carried some burdens and been through the wringer a couple times in my life, but I have never seen anyone exhibit this type of crazy, and brag about it, concerning kids. People that operate on this level rarely brag about it in public.

After pondering her response I looked up to notice a picture hanging on the wall of my den of my two daughters when they were nine and ten, and my eyes welled up with tears thinking about the hell hole that that little four year old daughter is living in.

I know I sometimes get wound up and use some expetives for effect, but I do not dare in this case because I am so mad that I know I would end up coming off as a total idiot, but I retain the right to say what I really want to in the next post.

The Angry Frog

Fundy Logic

The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one. --GB Shaw

The invisible and the non-existent look very much alike.
Delos B. McKown

Here's Your Sign

I couldn't resist posting this. If you know anything about Kent Hovind, you'll bust a gut laughing at this comment from "Bonni" to Ray. There is more crazy packed into this comment than I would have thought possible. I really think Bonni deserves some kind of dunce award.

Bonni said...
"Mr. Comfort,
I was wondering if you know a Dr. Hovind? He is an expert at demonstrating how the Bible completly disminishes any notions about evolution. Dr. Hovind was a science teacher for 15 years and is extremely knowledgeable in the theory of evolution. I just recently watched one of his seminars and was absolutely spellbound. I grew up believing the theory of evolution. Evolution is being taught in our schools to our children as fact not fiction or even theory. I had a hard time with creation when I first became a christian. I am fory-three years old and I finally know the truth. Dr. Hovind's son still travels the country doing seminars on this subject. I was just wondering if you knew of him since so many of your athesist objections turn toward evolution as their basis for trying to discredit the Bible. Thank you Bonni"

I looked at a couple videos by Kent's son, Eric, a couple months ago. Never again. I would rather have a root canal while listening to polka music.

The destruction of San Francisco

For those following the craziness at http://judgmentofsanfrancisco.blogspot.com/

I've been trying to show Dan'El that it is easy to find significance in random events and that possibly he has had hallucinations resulting from exhaustion and stress, and that he has suffered persection as a result of his antagonism towards others.

I found a thread started by him on the forum Prophesy Talk

This thread has many of the "significant" coincidences he has mentioned in his blog, but also outlines the details he has not yet revealed.

Specifically that he believes the AntiChrist and the False Prophet are his own 2 younger nephews.

Oy Vey!

Do I continue to try and get him to see the possibility that he is deluding himself or is really too far "out there"?

When Fundamentalism becomes Criminal

I didn't want to bump any previous posts tonight but I had to make you guys aware that one of the lurkers that comment here sometimes has admitted on his blog that he has almost starved his wife to death. What's worse is that she suffers from Lupus and has had tumors that recently came back.

He then goes on to state that he "thinks" the tumors went away during this "fast" in his Post "40 Day Fast." His wife's body is totally stressed and he is starving her to death. Here we see it happening right before our eyes.

"As mysterious as the tumors were to us, the symptoms returned again recently. We feared it was coming back right after our 4th child, she was getting pretty shook up about it. This time we decided to do a 40 day fast and keep in prayer to stop the growth and hope for a miracle from God.Well, it appears we got our wish and the tumor disappeared with no more signs during the fast (headaches, blurred vision, sinus troubles ...) so we feel our prayers have been answered. We were attacked by the devil in many other areas of our lives and we came through it quite humbled. Our bodies even started to reject water on day 34 and we were vomiting green bile the last two days. I felt like that exorcist girl towards the end and that is what prompted the early stopping point. We listened to our bodies and stopped when it was time.Both our bodies were getting too stressed to handle our work load we had, so on day 36 we had the Lord's supper as our first meal and began the reintroduction of food again.

There you have it. Here we have a person in our midst that is Out. Of. Touch. With. Reality.

Symptoms range, but even a healthy person in their twenties could go into cardiac arrest or kidney failure after 21 days of this kind of fast. The only hope I have is that Dan is one of these zealous fanatics that will relate an anecdotal, yet false event to try to show he is right in his indefensible world view. He has not a clue of the stress on the body, and more importantly the brain, he admits he is hallucinating. That is exactly how Shamans, priests, Paul, and all kind of God-heads induced their Visions.

This makes me very sad.

Addendum a little while later:

After thinking about this a couple minutes I am going to assume that this "DAN," is a Poe. I have been bouncing off of him for a while now and some of his reponses to negative comments he recieved have been so well crafted, it looked like the resposes were very contrived, as to mimick what a bat shit crazy fundy would say. I do hope that is the case here.

The Pathetic Ken Ham Speaks

The neanderthal-looking Ham has posted a "Blog" about Religulous.

Here is one pathetic parqagraph:
"Don’t spend your money to see it! Yeah, Ken, you wouldn't want your minions thinking for themselves now, would you? The four of us spent enough on this poor quality “mockumentary” (one staff member, bored with much of the film, was checking his emails during the movie) that enables Maher to throw his tantrum in public with this tirade against the Christian faith. Of course if one “can’t know,” and life is meaningless anyway, One of his spectacular non-sequiturs. Knowing or not knowing does not make life meaningless in any way. All people have meaning in their life. Some of us even have a rational meaning for our lives. one wonders why he even bothers? And if life is without ultimate purpose and meaning, why would he even honor his mother at the end if she is now a part of nothingness?
Here he tries to put words in unbelievers mouths by inferring that honoring our dead mothers is not valid???? What The Fuck? My mother nurtured and endowed me with love and kindness for my fellow humans. If the fucktard Ham has a problem with me or Bill memorializing our mothers for their achievements and love that proves he is a degenerate and foolish

His use of irrational non-sequiturs is by design and is ethically reprehensible in other professions.
The idiots that follow his scrum are easily fooled by these rotgut inferences as he tries to demonize others.

The funniest part of his blog was where he stated that Maher did not question "Mainstream" Christians. And I suppose he thinks HE is a mainstrem christian?

Let me remind you Hammerhead. You are running a lunatic fringe cult and people that believe in your brand of garbage are no more than 10% of mainstream America.

Prophecies Schmoceties

These prophecies are bullshit and everyone knows it. Pat Robertson better have his latest prophecie correct about us getting nuked or I am going to Virginia Beach and make a fucking issue out this. In the spirit of prophecy I have a couple failed ones to point out.

Fundies have siezed on a few prophecies that they think the can explain, but there is a plethora of prohecies that that won't touch with a ten foot pole.

One long Post deserves another, as they say, so here we go:

Genesis 26:4 And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed~~~~~
Here God tells Isaac that his descendents (Hebrews) will be as numerous as the stars. Considering the number of stars there are in the universe, that would have to be on the order of 1020 to the umpteenth power Jewish people.

Isaiah 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.~~~~~
Christians say that this verse is a prophecy of Jesus' birth to a virgin. There are a couple problems with this prophecy...First, virgin in this verse is a mistranslation of the Hebrew word "almah", which actually means "young woman". A young woman is not necessarily a virgin. "Bethulah" would have been the correct word to use if the author meant virgin. Second, nowhere in the New Testament is Jesus referred to as Immanuel.

Isaiah 17:1 The burden of Damascus. Behold, Damascus is taken away from being a city, and it shall be a ruinous heap.~~~~~
Damascus is still inhabited today with over a million people, and hardly a ruinous heap.

Isaiah 19:4-5 And the Egyptians will I give over into the hand of a cruel lord; and a fierce king shall rule over them, saith the Lord, the LORD of hosts. And the waters shall fail from the sea, and the river shall be wasted and dried up.~~~~~
The river mentioned here is the Nile. The Nile is still one of Egypt's greatest natural resources.

Isaiah 19:18 In that day shall five cities in the land of Egypt speak the language of Canaan, and swear to the LORD of hosts; one shall be called, The city of destruction.~~~~~
The Canaanite language has never been spoken in Egypt, and is now an extinct. Also, if the Hebrews would have been held in Egypt for all those years, there would have be common words shared by them, yet there are none.

Isaiah 52:1 Awake, awake; put on thy strength, O Zion; put on thy beautiful garments, O Jerusalem, the holy city: for henceforth there shall no more come into thee the uncircumcised and the unclean.~~~~~
There are uncircumcised people living in Jerusalem even today.

Ezekiel 29:10-11 Behold, therefore I am against thee, and against thy rivers, and I will make the land of Egypt utterly waste and desolate, from the tower of Syene even unto the border of Ethiopia. No foot of man shall pass through it, nor foot of beast shall pass through it, neither shall it be inhabited forty years.~~~~~
Never in its long history has Egypt ever been uninhabited for forty years.

Amos 9:15 And I will plant them upon their land, and they shall no more be pulled up out of their land which I have given them, saith the LORD thy God.~~~~~
Many times, Jews have been pulled up out of their land. The ownership of their land is still being fought for.

Jonah 3:4 And Jonah began to enter into the city a day's journey, and he cried, and said, Yet forty days, and Nineveh shall be overthrown.
Nineveh was never overthrown. Why? Because God changed his mind in verse 3:10, despite what Malachi 3:6, Numbers 23:19 and Ezekiel 24:14 says about God never changing his mind.

Matthew 1:22-23 Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.~~~~~
Again, Jesus is never referred to as Emmanuel (Immanuel).

Matthew 2:23 And he came and dwelt in a city called Nazareth: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophets, He shall be called a Nazarene.~~~~~
Nowhere in the Old Testament is such a prophecy found, so how could such a one be fulfilled?

Matthew 12:5 Or have ye not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless?~~~~~
There is no passage in the Old Testament that can be attributed to what Jesus is saying here.

Matthew 24:34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.~~~~~
Jesus states that all the signs marking the end of the world in Matthew 24 would be fulfilled before his generation ended. That generation ended 2000 years ago, and the world has not come to an end, neither has all those signs been fulfilled.

Matthew 27:9 Then was fulfilled that which was spoken by Jeremy the prophet, saying, And they took the thirty pieces of silver, the price of him that was valued, whom they of the children of Israel did value.~~~~~
This prophecy was never spoken by Jeremiah.

Matthew 26:64 Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.~~~~~
Jesus tells the high priest that he would see his second coming. The high priest is long dead, and Jesus hasn't returned yet.

Throughout the New Testament, the end of the world is prophesied as being very near, at hand, to be witnessed by those living at the time. Paul often told the people he preached to that they would be witnesses to Jesus' second coming. They are all long gone.

So Ray Comfort is one crazed fanatic in a long line of crazed and delusional fanatics. Sad, that.

/d

Ray and His Minions in Church this Morning

"PenisGate08" Drives Wedge between The Way, and His Master

In a recent slight breach of decorum an avatar appeared on the blog of Ray Comfort, Atheist Central, with a picture of Ray Comfort with a cock in his face.
This set off a shitstorm of opinions between the fundamentalists about how this accidental event should have been handled.

Comfort responded by locking down the site and expelling those who did not toe the party line.

Comfort started a purge of his minions with a total investigation of their personal blogs to see if they has any "objectable material." In one reported case, a picture that was posted of a man's wife in a mini-skirt, the man was banished from the Comfort fold, cast out, ex-communicated, humiliated and beaten by those he was trying to support, yet compassion, they say, is their earmark.

The Godhead of this cult, Comfort, is a slavish adherrent to his own interpretation of the bible, in spite of admonishments from other religious leaders.

More at eleven.

The Bunker Mentality Prevails

This recent event has turned out to be a rather unexpected source of amusement.

To me, this is a perfect example of not only the Bunker Mentality, but also a main dichotomy between fundamentalists of all kinds, and everyone else.

I have a couple younger managers that report to me, Steve and Dave. Whenever anybody addresses an email to someone, a dropdown appears after entering the first letter and you can just click instead of typing the whole name. It is handy, but deadly, because it is rather easy to click the wrong name and not notice if they are spelled similarly, in this case Dave and Dale- easy to fuck up. Last week I get this email from Steve and it is an animated frog being tossed into a blender. His comment was, "does the "ol Man" ever make you feel like this?"

I knew immediately what had happened and I know they use that certain term of endearment in reference to me, as does my youngest son. Of course by the time I mentioned it to him, he had already discovered his mistake and I no more than got the word "blender" out of my mouth and he did the perfect double face palm- Priceless! Let me tell you, it was all I could do to not crack up. Did I lock down the security? Filter all emails? Scan/moderate their stuff? No, people have to communicate in their own ways.

It gets worse. About a six moths ago I recieved an errent email from an office assistant and there is a picture of a man with his head cut open with an axe, and there are thousands of little vaginas spilling out all over. The message read, "This is all Joe thinks about." I lost a whole mouthful of green tea. Did I Lock down, et, No. Open communication flow is the key to any successful organization. The moment someone wants to start stifling the flow of communications, the organization must eliminate them.

So, what did I say to that assistant (she is emminently competent and reliable as gravity?)
I said, "I just wanted to confirm that the picture with all the little vaginas in it was not actually intended for me." She looked at me like a cow staring at an oncoming train.

So, instead of all the drama and now the lockdown, more screening, more censorship.... wow, funny how that sounds so.....cultish. Just sayin...... Maybe they'll be heading to Guyana soon.

And so why didn't Ray merely ask Nonmagic why (? How novel?) she posted an avatar with a cock on his face? He forgot to ask why? Of course it is irrational not to ask why, or Rufus, why did you post that light switch thingy? Ol' Ray has exploited this to the max. That fucker is a master at capitalizing on this type of stuff, I must say that for him.

So now the Godhead has taken his minions further into his bunker of ignorance.
/d

Ken Ham Blames Evolution for Big Foot Hoax

I needed a break from Comfort idiocy so I checked out AIG to find this:

"Bigfoot has been found—or so claim two men who say they have found the dead body of a Sasquatch. Although the supposed body has been shown to be nothing more than a rubber suit, these men are likely following the evolutionary indoctrination they receive in school and on TV—and are also following in a long line of supposed apemen “proofs” that were big on show and low on evidence."

Ken, listen here you fucking maroon. Just how in the fuck is it LIKELY that they were following anything other than just being two lunatics like you looking to gain some notoriety.

That is the most idiotic statement. And you know that is likely how? Did the holy spirit infest your pubic hairs and you got a hard on for the first time in your miserable deluded life? Yeah, that is LIKELY, you sexually repressed ugly bastard.

It is likely you say that for one reason, another lame and idiotic and vague negative aspersion against evolution. That is so disengenuous it is fucking hilarious and so transparent that a fucking shit for brains seven year old kid could see right through it. If you are not fucking ashamed for having that shit on your site then you could not be ashamed of anything. It is likely that you are goddamned happy that your pathetic minions will actually believe that kind of horseshit. And it is fucking LIKELY that they will.
I'm trying to be nice to you. I'll start being even nicer when you will start trying to be smarter.

Respectfully submitted, dale

Bible Bath

This video is just too bizarre. Enjoy.

Sound Recording of Hell (Real)

Sorry for the Autoplay (hit pause if you're scared). Put the children in another room. Listen and be AMAZED and SCARED!!!!

The anthropology website that uncovered this audio.

EDIT: I couldn't fix the autoplay (was getting kind of annoying having to scroll down and turn it off every time I refreshed the page) so I deleted the file, but the link is still there for anybody who wants to hear it. -- LCJ

I Can't Take it any Longer- The Gloves are Coming Off

I had to pull this comment foreward and if any of you can tell me why I should not mock, scorn and ridicule this piece of horseshit, you have about three comments to try to talk me out of it.


Jean Gasho-Musuka said...
"About slavery all the answers are in the bible for you. Slaves are told to be obedient to their masters, and masters are told to be fair to their slaves. The bible does not say slavery is wrong. And I don't believe its wrong if it's done in a godly way. In biblical times, slaves did actually benefit from slavery because they had nothing to live on. I myself am a slave of Christ, I was bought by the blood of Jesus. I do not do my will but my master's will. Non Christians are slaves of their master, the Devil. Every person is a slave anyway."

August 4, 2008 11:59 AM

***dale, counting to ten***

Joshua S. Black- Ray Comfort Wannabe, & Panhandler by Night

Like some magnetic attraction, I find myself going back to Joshua's blog from time to time to check out his success in begging for money to go to missionary school in about three weeks.

As I stated in the past, if this were one of my kids I would not hesitate to advise them to get their sorry asses to work and save the money to achieve their goals. In fact, my kids did work and got loans to further their education because the institution that loaned them the money had a fairly reasonable assurance that they would get paid back, and they were. Of course there are no institutions that would loan money for an "adventure" to the Bahamas to learn the fine art of "missionary work." I wonder why?

Josh still has his "prayer request" calendar (pray for "ME") available for you all. You need to take full advantage of that.

This mind set is very intriguing to me. I can hardly explain my curiosity satisfactorily other than to ask you, indeed, implore you, to explain what could ever bring a fairly articulate, attractive and personable young man to reach this level of delusion? What type of early training or environment could produce this bufoonery?

Since he makes no mention of any biographical information, he leaves this open to speculation.

Go ahead and make me a Pariah, I dont give a Shit

Since I got my ass kicked all over the thread, "Two Days left...," because I called your friend Rob Penn a "phoney and a fraud," I have returned from spending a day with the sons of my best friend who died of a brain tumor last week.

Felix was one of the Rob Penn love festers that came down on me pretty hard. OK.

Rob has now stated on his blog that he loves Weemaryanne, Flinging Dust and etcetera because they are so accepting. Well, good for them. I hope they find solice in being validated by this fucktard. It concerns me not.

What does concern me is how the Rob lovers can reconcile their comments to me, versus their comments that I observe them making to the people at Ray's blog. How is Rob Penn's beliefs any different from Ray's? Does Rob make sense of miracles?

Rob likes to come off as this Rational Christian, but there is no such thing, and for you people to mock me and equate me to Terry Burton for my disbelief, Fuck You. Yes, that would be you, Felix.

If I come back here and find my account deleted then so be it. I don't particularly give a flying fuck, if you know what I mean. I've been fighting the effects of these fundies since most of you were little kids, in some cases, not even born yet.

Having said all that, I'll get out of here.

To All of You out there that Love Me

As many of you know, I have had a life-long interest in becoming a Haruspex. Most of you are more familiar with the modern day labels of "Haruspicy," " Hepatoscopy," or, the ever popular "Hepatomancy."

Whatever term you choose, I have a group of accomplished Haruspexes that are willing to subsidize my further education. That will cover about one half of the cost of the course of study (not including the corpses.)

I am sure that I would not be presumptuous to ask you all for a bit of ching to help me out on this, right? Good. That being settled, I'll put a little donation calendar at the end of this communication and, also a very gratified and smiling picture of ME! dale! You can post this on your kitchen bulletin board so your kids can sacrifice a pittance for your your beloved friend, dale. Right? Thanks!! luv ya!

Love, Love, Love **send money** Love,

Signed,
Joshua S. Black
Ray Comfort

P.S.
If you have any expired pets, you could also further "my" cause by pacing them in Dry Ice and ship them Secind Day Air to the address at the conclusion of this comment. Thank you for your cooperation in advance.

Joshua Black- Aren't You Just Soooo Special!

I...Can't...Quit... Laughing! This kid is one of the most self serving scum buckets I have seen in a while. Not only is he asking for strangers to send him money to pay for his further education in his irrational belief system, get this, he now has an image that shows his picture and it states: "My Prayer Card." Joshua Black- Pray for "Me!" It gets better.
Click on the image and you can download a calender where you can mark in the days on which you "will commit" to pray for him! He then states, " Please print and post somewhere where you will see it often and remember to pray for me!!"

Josh, settle down. I am looking directly into your eyes and I want to tell you that you are self centered nut wad. Get a fucking job and save your money and pay your own goddamned way through school. Who the fuck do you think you are? If you were one of my kids acting like some begging wimp asshole I would tell them the very same thing.
It is obvious by reading your blog that it isn't anything about god, it's everything about what you can get out of it for your own gratification. You are definitely a taker and not a giver. You need some real education.
For a good ol' helping of christian greed, check this out. And they talk of humility!