Ray's Latest Dishonesty

Just got back from the Swamp, where I was unfortunate enough to read this latest gem from Ray:

"And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart" (Genesis 6:6).

CONTRADICTION: "God is not a man that he should lie; neither the son of a man that he should repent" (Numbers 3:19).

EXPLANATION: God is without sin, so any references to Him and repentance merely mean "a change of mind."

Ray supplements this with a graphic that reads thusly:

REPENT:

= to feel remorse for failures
= to feel sorry for sins
= to change your mind
= to alter your mind when conditions change

Which one of these fits God best?

One again, Ray proves that his intellectual dishonesty truly knows no bounds.


First off, the Bible passage from Genesis clearly points to the "remorse" definition of "repent", as should be obvious by the word "grieved".

Courtesy of thesaurus.com (excessive emphasis mine):

Remorse synonyms:
anguish, attrition, compassion, compunction, contriteness, contrition, grief, guilt, pangs of conscience, penance, penitence, penitency, pity, regret, remorsefulness, repentance, rue, ruefulness, self-reproach, shame, sorrow

Grief synonyms:
affliction, agony, anguish, bemoaning, bereavement, bewailing, care, dejection, deploring, depression, desolation, despair, despondency, discomfort, disquiet, distress, dole, dolor, gloom, grievance, harassment, heartache, heartbreak, infelicity, lamentation, lamenting, malaise, melancholy, misery, mortification, mournfulness, mourning, pain, purgatory, regret, remorse, repining, rue, sadness, sorrow, torture, trial, tribulation, trouble, unhappiness, vexation, woe, worry, wretchedness

Two, the Bible passage from Numbers doesn't say anything about the meaning of the word "repent", so how exactly does Ray make the case for maintaining that the word "repent" means one thing in Genesis, and another in Numbers?

Both of these intellectually bankrupt "arguments" are just two more iterations of the same old tired "context" nonsense that Ray and his fellow Fundies try to pass off as a valid argument again and again. It's getting tiresome.

UPDATE: the second Bible passage referenced in Ray's post is not Numbers 3:19...it is Numbers 23:19. Any predictions on how Ray will address this latest error? Check back here for further updates.

"No one gave any reasons."

In Ray's latest post, he responds to Daniel Florien's surprise that Kaitlyn (our "atheist essay" contest "winner") gave no reasons for not believing in God with the following bald-faced lie:

"No one gave any reasons."

Now, Daniel was confused because Ray's previous post quoted one of Kaitlyn's comments on AC, and then mentioned that Kaitlyn won the essay contest. Daniel assumed that the quoted material was the winning essay, when in point of fact, it was not.

Given the circumstances, Daniel's confusion is understandable, but Ray doesn't have that excuse. Ray knows damned well what the content of Kaitlyn's essay was, and since that alone contains reasons for not believing in God, that essay alone is enough to put the lie to Ray.

Perhaps Ray has a special executive version of the 10 Commandments, in which the 9th Commandment reads a little differently.

Wrong again

Comments like this from fundies are another reason why I, even when I wasn't banned, never posted over at AC after the strike started.

Check this out:

"Leah said...

Mr. Robert Madwell said "Of course, that could be another lie! Foolish atheists! Why can't we stop lying? Oh yeah, that's because that's what we do!"

Dear Mr. Madwell, please understand that you CAN'T stop lying unless you have Jesus Christ. You are a slave to sin, if you "tried" to stop lying you would not be able to. Please, give it a try, don't lie, you can see how lying is bad, how it hurts people but you cannot stop doing it because sin(lying) makes you it's slave. Freedom is not doing what you want to do, but freedom in Chirst is having the power to do what you should. Read Romans 7 and understand that you are a slave to sin, you DO NOT CONTROL your sins, but your sins control and direct you. I pray that you will see that you need Christ, because once you have made HIM your LORD and Savior HE gives you the power to be free from your sin so that you don't have to serve them, you can serve Christ! "For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death." Romans 8:2"
September 28, 2008 8:17 PM




Uh....no. I can not even remember the last lie I told. Not even the last white lie I told. Ever since I was a young kid, due to some very negative experiences I had in my home life, I have made it a policy not to lie. I don't have to try not do it, I just don't do it. It's not who I am or who I want to be. And I'm still an atheist.

I realize that it's easier to believe someone is damned, and all the other horrid things fundies think about atheists, if you believe erroneous, demonizing things such as this, but please THINK before you type. Anyone with any common sense would know that the claim made in the above comment is just ignorant bunk.