tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4140917903722388348.post6703103801633916759..comments2023-10-29T08:19:51.395-05:00Comments on The Raytractors - Ray Comfort's Detractors: A question for theistsMacGyver Jrhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02307024564664964571noreply@blogger.comBlogger32125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4140917903722388348.post-53351642635348131922008-10-05T09:59:00.000-05:002008-10-05T09:59:00.000-05:00Mrfreethinker, you've had over a day to answer my ...Mrfreethinker, you've had over a day to answer my request for evidence for the existence of your imaginary friend.<BR/><BR/>You had time to post a long comment about unfulfilled prophecies or false prophecies. But no time to post one little scrap of evidence for little ole Weemaryanne.<BR/><BR/>Is it because I forgot to say please?Weemaryannehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06329039927702839707noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4140917903722388348.post-9959722754488925582008-10-04T12:13:00.000-05:002008-10-04T12:13:00.000-05:00G.E.Maybe I would wonder if a deep believer would ...G.E.<BR/><BR/><I>Maybe I would wonder if a deep believer would be able to answer this question honestly. Not because they would willingly lie, but because their senses are already "biased."</I><BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>I thought about the question Liz asked for quite awhile before I replied. I asked myself if I believed only because of wanting to go to heaven and to stay out of hell or some fear, or whatever.<BR/><BR/>I remember the night I realized I loved God. No one talked me into it, no one threatened me with hell or anything else. <BR/><BR/>My belief is not because my senses are biased. My belief came about because I had a true conversion experience and I believe Jesus is God's Son and died for me. It's not hard at all for me to understand why atheist don't believe this, but I'm just as sure of the truth of it as I am that I have 8 fingers and 2 thumbs.<BR/><BR/>So many atheists here have said they tried to believe, prayed, etc. and now don't believe. Well I have a theory about that and if that subject is ever posted I hope I'm ready for it.Cynthiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00592429266252545353noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4140917903722388348.post-65061802569288818902008-10-04T11:24:00.000-05:002008-10-04T11:24:00.000-05:00My guess is that many would still believe in their...My guess is that many would still believe in their god. It makes sense because, supposedly, there was no eternal life before Christ. However, motivations are so different, and logic does not necessarily apply on this.<BR/><BR/>Maybe I would wonder if a deep believer would be able to answer this question honestly. Not because they would willingly lie, but because their senses are already "biased."<BR/><BR/>Anyway, just thinking out loud.<BR/><BR/>G.E.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4140917903722388348.post-41004642847264755192008-10-04T09:30:00.000-05:002008-10-04T09:30:00.000-05:00MrFree,You said,"But I have no problem providing e...MrFree,<BR/><BR/>You said,<BR/>"But I have no problem providing evidence for a creator."<BR/><BR/>Please hurry lest I perish of curiosity!Froggiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12972110380349786742noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4140917903722388348.post-61887922065139292942008-10-04T08:51:00.000-05:002008-10-04T08:51:00.000-05:00Yes froggie, I knew you were dale. The avatar gav...Yes froggie, I knew you were dale. The avatar gave it away.<BR/><BR/>I've posted before that I am married to a muslim...that shows no one pays any attention to what I say :(<BR/><BR/>Hahaha...No walking behind him. I'm not very good at being subservient but really it was the leash that I protested!!Cynthiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00592429266252545353noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4140917903722388348.post-29069435964290560702008-10-04T08:00:00.000-05:002008-10-04T08:00:00.000-05:00Send me juicy stuff!Freed- this is dale, by the w...Send me juicy stuff!<BR/><BR/>Freed- this is dale, by the way.<BR/>I couldn't believe my eyes when you arote about your husband.<BR/><BR/>Diversity personified.<BR/><BR/>Does he make you walk behind him?Froggiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12972110380349786742noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4140917903722388348.post-75274857173060754412008-10-04T07:42:00.000-05:002008-10-04T07:42:00.000-05:00Felix,No one asked me, and I don't know what mrfre...Felix,<BR/><BR/>No one asked me, and I don't know what mrfreethinker is going to say, but while you are waiting for an answer from him, I would just like to throw out I John 4:13-16 where John discusses evidences or signs of genuine Christianity -<BR/>vs 13 says: <BR/>...we know that we abide in Him, and He in us, because He has given us of His Spirit<BR/> <BR/>The presence of the 3 signs listed in I John testifies to one's true spiritual condition.<BR/><BR/>I've been saved forever and didn't discover these verses until a couple of years ago because I didn't really study the Bible so there was no self-deception on my part.Cynthiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00592429266252545353noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4140917903722388348.post-56488846339952071582008-10-04T05:10:00.000-05:002008-10-04T05:10:00.000-05:00Mrfreethinker,You just woke me up, pre-caffeine. E...Mrfreethinker,<BR/><BR/>You just woke me up, pre-caffeine. Evidence for a supernatural entity? -- well, don't keep us in suspense, tell us what it is!Weemaryannehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06329039927702839707noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4140917903722388348.post-7042444884298282042008-10-04T02:36:00.000-05:002008-10-04T02:36:00.000-05:00mrfreethinker,the 'inner witness' thing is interes...mrfreethinker,<BR/>the 'inner witness' thing is interesting. I suppose you agree that your brain is involved in recognizing this witness, feeling a presence, an invigoration of sorts. From the position of one who has never felt such a thing (I have tried), I must ask is it not possible that this is a mechanism your brain produces on its own, and given what we already have found out about the capability to self-decept and the many biochemical influences that change our moods, our experiences and our way of thinking - is it not overwhelmingly probable that your experience is from within you? That the authors of the Bible, and the countless people who formed religious beliefs all over the world, were attributing their experiences and interpretations of them to higher powers because they didn't have any idea of these inner mechanisms?felixhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00749925395851545703noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4140917903722388348.post-5995345720831169832008-10-03T23:49:00.000-05:002008-10-03T23:49:00.000-05:00I came to the conclusion in many different ways. ...I came to the conclusion in many different ways. Mostly because of the inner witness of the holy spirit.<BR/>But I have no problem providing evidence for a creator.MrFreeThinkerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12778096949945818236noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4140917903722388348.post-36966706072147120992008-10-03T23:40:00.000-05:002008-10-03T23:40:00.000-05:00Boy did you ever!!!:DBoy did you ever!!!<BR/><BR/>:DCynthiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00592429266252545353noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4140917903722388348.post-66519077058220481122008-10-03T22:24:00.000-05:002008-10-03T22:24:00.000-05:00Freed,Oh! That was juicy!! Woah!I sent you some j...Freed,<BR/><BR/>Oh! That was juicy!! Woah!<BR/><BR/>I sent you some juicy stuff, too!nonmagichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12986030395050670437noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4140917903722388348.post-63754820067020641012008-10-03T22:10:00.000-05:002008-10-03T22:10:00.000-05:00NM,And I sent you the juiciest reply.NM,<BR/><BR/>And I sent you the juiciest reply.Cynthiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00592429266252545353noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4140917903722388348.post-15464151914393980332008-10-03T21:49:00.000-05:002008-10-03T21:49:00.000-05:00Freed, I replied to your reply.Freed, <BR/><BR/>I replied to your reply.nonmagichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12986030395050670437noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4140917903722388348.post-29122362990201321032008-10-03T21:38:00.000-05:002008-10-03T21:38:00.000-05:00NM, I replied.NM, I replied.Cynthiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00592429266252545353noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4140917903722388348.post-28529519493015852862008-10-03T21:34:00.000-05:002008-10-03T21:34:00.000-05:00Freed,I sent you mail.Freed,<BR/><BR/>I sent you mail.nonmagichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12986030395050670437noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4140917903722388348.post-53396460044539195332008-10-03T21:26:00.000-05:002008-10-03T21:26:00.000-05:00:D @ NM.No, not joking as I usually do. He's defi...:D @ NM.<BR/><BR/>No, not joking as I usually do. He's definitely a muslim, but not the radical type. He's in Lebanon right now visiting his family and I'm missing the sweet thang.Cynthiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00592429266252545353noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4140917903722388348.post-72360352799270329232008-10-03T21:05:00.000-05:002008-10-03T21:05:00.000-05:00Freed,I thought you were joking about your husband...Freed,<BR/><BR/>I thought you were joking about your husband being Muslim. Is my irony meter broken again??nonmagichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12986030395050670437noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4140917903722388348.post-69209394232688917222008-10-03T20:45:00.000-05:002008-10-03T20:45:00.000-05:00SS,My husband is muslim and so you can imagine the...SS,<BR/><BR/>My husband is muslim and so you can imagine the conversations we have concerning God.<BR/><BR/>He believes we worship the same God and I don't agree. I used the Pascal's Wager on him and it meant nothing to him. As far as fear goes, they are threatened with death if they leave their religion.<BR/><BR/>The first time I mentioned sin to him he asked what that was.<BR/><BR/>Sorry, a little off subject.Cynthiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00592429266252545353noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4140917903722388348.post-61912256780675303462008-10-03T20:40:00.000-05:002008-10-03T20:40:00.000-05:00Liz, you asked "How does god offer you protection ...Liz, you asked "How does god offer you protection from evil? Again, not being snarky."<BR/><BR/><BR/>In this example I'll use evil in the weakest sense because the protection I believe him for goes beyond evil in the vilest sense. <BR/><BR/>Say there was a crises that affected the a large part of the population, and it was caused by the greed of evil men, I believe God for protection from the gross effects of this crises. I'd be in it, but not devastated as someone who has no one but himself to rely on.<BR/><BR/>One effect may be food shortage because of money shortage. An unbeliever would rely on himself to make do. I would rely on God to provide for me.<BR/><BR/>I would rely on God's protection and help in all the areas of my life and my life would have been better for it, rather than having to rely only on my devices.<BR/><BR/>I realize unbelievers think they have it just fine without any help from God, but as a side remark..<BR/>Satan doesn't attack unbelievers. He focuses on believers, and we couldn't make it without God's help. <BR/><BR/>So, yes, I would worship God even if there was nothing after death.Cynthiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00592429266252545353noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4140917903722388348.post-88724738716810680992008-10-03T20:09:00.000-05:002008-10-03T20:09:00.000-05:00I find the problem with Pascal's Wager is you don'...I find the problem with Pascal's Wager is you don't have a choice, but many choices. It's not christian god or no god, but rather christian god, muslim god, buddhism, ect.<BR/><BR/>Hi Mrfreethinker,<BR/><BR/>If you don't mind me asking, how did you come to the conclusion that it was your duty to serve god and what made you want to follow that duty? <BR/><BR/>Liz,<BR/><BR/>Ray comfort is not the norm, because I think most people aren't that arrogant and I think Ray mostly just wants to start fights.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4140917903722388348.post-8044414943288956902008-10-03T19:44:00.000-05:002008-10-03T19:44:00.000-05:00Freed,How does god offer you protection from evil?...Freed,<BR/><BR/>How does god offer you protection from evil? Again, not being snarky.<BR/><BR/>Mrfreethinker,<BR/><BR/>Thank you. I'm trying to gage if Ray's brand of fundamentalism is the exception or the norm. IMO he seems to preach the whole carrot/stick belief system.Lizhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00962744853944159756noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4140917903722388348.post-85730305843851967552008-10-03T17:52:00.000-05:002008-10-03T17:52:00.000-05:00Yes I would still serve God. Because it is my duty...Yes I would still serve God. Because it is my duty.<BR/>Serving god just so you can get goodies and go to heaven is not a very high concept of god (sounds more like Santa Claus than God)MrFreeThinkerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12778096949945818236noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4140917903722388348.post-82065899752707486352008-10-03T17:31:00.000-05:002008-10-03T17:31:00.000-05:00froggie,I used Pascal's Wager before I knew it had...froggie,<BR/><BR/>I used Pascal's Wager before I knew it had a name, and not because of the reason you stated, but as an argument for what I believe. <BR/><BR/>I don't have that inner fear you mentioned and I don't believe I'm irrational about what I believe.Cynthiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00592429266252545353noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4140917903722388348.post-12965512174717731722008-10-03T17:26:00.000-05:002008-10-03T17:26:00.000-05:00You didn't remove death and evil from the scenario...You didn't remove death and evil from the scenario, so yes, I would still worship God.<BR/><BR/>The reason I would is because He is sovereign and righteous. I would want His favor and protection from the evil.Cynthiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00592429266252545353noreply@blogger.com